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We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

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Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

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>In Norway a dev starts at $100k a year; or you can pay roughly $250 an hour for freelancers. I still think you paid more than the site is worth but... you can get that kind of rate for freelancing PHP? I think I need to move to Norway.

You can definitely get that amount for freelancing PHP in the states.

Either you're joking, or I've wasted my career.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

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To clarify, for the `.buy-button` class, is that where one should put super-specific styles like `margin-left: 12px`? Also, is there a good place I can learn these kind of things? I'm a programmer trying to get better at CSS (SCSS now that we've setup the asset pipeline)—so far I've been reading random A List Apart and The Sass Way articles, but I feel like I could use a more holistic, in-depth understanding of CSS i…

I would take a look at BEM. It's methodology and set of naming conventions to help write better, more modular and reusable CSS. It can take a while to get used to, and to get it right, but once you do it's a lifesaver. I can't imagine doing front-end dev without it now http://csswizardry.com/2013/01/mindbemding-getting-your-head... http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/04/16/a-new-front-end-m...

I'm not a designer by any means, so take this with a grain of salt, but after reading through the first link, BEM bears a striking resemblance to hungarian notation, which I think most of us decided was a bad idea a long time ago. Do you have any sense that this naming convention is different somehow from the naming conventions that have been used and abandoned in other areas of software development, and if so, what makes it different?

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#93
post #81

I would be very interested to hear more about the user Listnerd http://www.listnerd.com/Listnerd#lists and how Listnerd has created 492,988 lists and received 3,072,466 votes!

Probably related to the "web scrapers" they spent some of that 200k on.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#94
post #85

Why would I want to do this?

A lot of people enjoy creating content. Look at Tumblr (blogs), Wordpress.com (blogs), Instagram (pictures), etc. We believe Listnerd could fit in there (lists). I don't know about you though; depends on what you hobby or passion is. That's usually what people make lists about.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

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post #47

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In Norway a dev starts at $100k a year; or you can pay roughly $250 an hour for freelancers. Labour laws in Norway are very strict, which means hiring someone is a big step. When we first started the project we didn't really foresee how big of a task it would end up as, so we went with outsourcing. If I had to do it again, I probably would have hired one in-house dev.

>In Norway a dev starts at $100k a year; or you can pay roughly $250 an hour for freelancers. I still think you paid more than the site is worth but... you can get that kind of rate for freelancing PHP? I think I need to move to Norway.

You and me both, i get 65$ an hour in Sweden.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

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Would also love to know where the money went specifically. Seems insane (also do you need another website built for 200k?)

Already answered this, but I'll comment because you bothered to. Sure :) We're basicly two founders that have done most of the design and project management of the site. In addition, we've outsourced some design and all of the programming to Ukraine, including the mobile version. The outsourced development itself runs into the 100k's over the stretch of 1.5 years, and in addition, we've done some marketing (40-50k) a…

It's funny to see many people giving their "expert" opinion about how expensive your web site was, just by looking the design. It is very easy to say when: 1. You are not the one developing the site, thus You have no commitment. 2. You ignore all the other project requirements (already mentioned above) just by looking to the presentation layer.

If the project was too expensive, blame also the founders , which may have asked for a MVP bigger then the necessary.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#100
post #81

I would be very interested to hear more about the user Listnerd http://www.listnerd.com/Listnerd#lists and how Listnerd has created 492,988 lists and received 3,072,466 votes!

Probably related to the "web scrapers" they spent some of that 200k on.

Absolutely, and you cannot build a business upon scraping. Maybe for some seeding, but not to this extend.
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