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Re: Ubuntu Mate

#51

Post by marktangotango »

crdoconnor wrote: post #25
someperson wrote: post #10

Really exciting that people still yearn for classic GNOME2 desktop environments! I know quite a few people who jumped ship from Ubuntu when Unity starting being forced on everybody by default. Lubuntu (LXDE) has always been a bit buggy for me, but still makes for great systems (especially on older laptops). Though I for one think the "halcyon" days of Ubuntu didn't just include a snappy/stable user interface, it also…

XFCE/Xubuntu has been the solution (for me) to pining for 10.04 days. I tried Lubuntu first on the presupposition that lighter was better, but it really was too buggy and lacked some necessary features.

XUbuntu on a 2008 Dell laptop with ssd here, boots in 10 seconds, login in 15. UI is fast, no stupid eye candy animations (gimmicks imo). Couldn't be happier.

Re: Ubuntu Mate

#52

Post by vezzy-fnord »

pooper wrote: post #47

I love Gnome 3. I don't like that sometimes virtual machines can't handle Gnome 3 on older machines but it runs pretty well in a virtual machine in my current notebook (y510p). I don't understand the yearning for Gnome 2. Debian already has a Gnome classic shell for computers that can't handle Gnome 3. It'd be nice if people helped fix whatever they think is wrong with gnome 3 :(

It'd be nice if people helped fix whatever they think is wrong with gnome 3 :(

Wouldn't be possible if it involved fundamental design decisions.

Re: Ubuntu Mate

#53

Post by reitanqild »

Pacabel wrote: post #14
leorocky wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this qualifies as a separate distro unless you also think Kubuntu and Xubuntu are separate distros. They are just Ubuntu with different packages for the UI preinstalled. You can probably install them side by side and switch to one or the other.

I think it's fair to consider them as different distros, at least in practice, given how much the choice of a desktop environment can affect the user experience. A lot of the software available by default will differ, obviously. Instructions about how to use the system differ, as well. The default capabilities and functionality will differ. The bugs affecting them will differ. All of those differences add up.

1. Distrowatch cobsider them distros

2. They are distributions: different people are responsible, they have packaged different stuff

Now, why did someone find the above comment worthy of a downvote?

Re: Ubuntu Mate

#54

Post by kudu »

jacob019 wrote: post #35
fingerprinter wrote: post #26

Gotta love how people just won't let go and move on. Imagine if all the diehard mac users ported OS9 to OSX because "OSX was forced on them". It's called progress. Gnome2 was a dying project when Unity was announced. Gnome3 was "coming soon", but flailing around. Unity is different, sure, but so was OSX to a degree when it came out. People need to move on. Unity is the present and future of Ubuntu. We've been talking…

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. At my company we use Mint Mate on all desktops. It's clean, simple, works great, and doesn't require training for employees who have never used Linux.

Why Mate instead of a modern, extendable DE such as GNOME 3?

Re: Ubuntu Mate

#55

Post by thaumasiotes »

fingerprinter wrote: post #40
jacob019 wrote: post #36

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That's rediculous. You're recommending that people stick with old versions that are riddled with known vulnerabilities. There are some great lightweight modern OS's, like CrunchBang and Lubuntu that work well on old hardware.

I think you're missing the point. It's common practice to sunset something. Apple, Google, Microsoft do it all the time. The fact is the support for some version of OSX has been deprecated and not supported any more. What are those folk to do? Ubuntu 12.04, which has a version of Gnome classic, is still supported until 2017 ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases ). If someone is running hardware past this date, well, the…

Just to be clear: you think it's preferable that people using old hardware should run old Ubuntu-with-Gnome and accept their known security holes, than that they should use still-supported, modern OSes designed to run on old hardware? Did CrunchBang run over your dog?

Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by m_ram »

fingerprinter wrote: post #26

Gotta love how people just won't let go and move on. Imagine if all the diehard mac users ported OS9 to OSX because "OSX was forced on them". It's called progress. Gnome2 was a dying project when Unity was announced. Gnome3 was "coming soon", but flailing around. Unity is different, sure, but so was OSX to a degree when it came out. People need to move on. Unity is the present and future of Ubuntu. We've been talking…

Mate seems to be under active development. They're currently adding support for Wayland and GTK3 for the next release [1]. It's not like they're just repackaging GNOME 2.32 for the latest distributions.

[1] http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/roadmap

Re: Ubuntu Mate

#57

Post by vezzy-fnord »

kudu wrote: post #54
jacob019 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. At my company we use Mint Mate on all desktops. It's clean, simple, works great, and doesn't require training for employees who have never used Linux.

Why Mate instead of a modern, extendable DE such as GNOME 3?

How is MATE not a modern and extendable DE?

Also, the assertion that GNOME 3 is extendable is funny. It's probably the least so out of the major GNU/Linux DEs, as the developers have been hellbent on pursuing "brand coherency" as of late, and in general dissuading from tampering with defaults.

Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by steanne »

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #52
pooper wrote: post #47

I love Gnome 3. I don't like that sometimes virtual machines can't handle Gnome 3 on older machines but it runs pretty well in a virtual machine in my current notebook (y510p). I don't understand the yearning for Gnome 2. Debian already has a Gnome classic shell for computers that can't handle Gnome 3. It'd be nice if people helped fix whatever they think is wrong with gnome 3 :(

It'd be nice if people helped fix whatever they think is wrong with gnome 3 :( Wouldn't be possible if it involved fundamental design decisions.

that's what cinnamon was supposed to do.

Re: Ubuntu Mate

#59

Post by ricardobeat »

kudu wrote: post #54
jacob019 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. At my company we use Mint Mate on all desktops. It's clean, simple, works great, and doesn't require training for employees who have never used Linux.

Why Mate instead of a modern, extendable DE such as GNOME 3?

Or elementary? http://elementaryos.org/

Re: Ubuntu Mate

#60

Post by bronson »

kudu wrote: post #54
jacob019 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. At my company we use Mint Mate on all desktops. It's clean, simple, works great, and doesn't require training for employees who have never used Linux.

Why Mate instead of a modern, extendable DE such as GNOME 3?

Because typical office workers who learned how to use Gnome2 need retraining to use Gnome3.
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