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Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by raldi »

fingerprinter wrote: post #26

Gotta love how people just won't let go and move on. Imagine if all the diehard mac users ported OS9 to OSX because "OSX was forced on them". It's called progress. Gnome2 was a dying project when Unity was announced. Gnome3 was "coming soon", but flailing around. Unity is different, sure, but so was OSX to a degree when it came out. People need to move on. Unity is the present and future of Ubuntu. We've been talking…

Right, it's like when those Unix luddites refused to upgrade to OS/2 or even DOS. Wake up, people! It's called progress!

Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by thejdude »

sfilipov wrote: post #31
Pacabel wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not very good reasoning. You're basically saying that Fedora and Ubuntu are the same distro, because differences in the default package manager and other core software are irrelevant. Clearly that's not the case. It is the defaults that matter. They're what give a particular distribution its unique characteristics. Sure, you can go out of your way to install the software necessary to make one distribution comp…

What makes distributions different are mainly the package manager and the packages in the repositories. Your example with Fedora and Ubuntu is a bad one because they use different package managers. Fedora uses yum and Ubuntu uses apt. This is one of the biggest differences that two distributions can have. They are different enough people get advice to stick to one and build some experience with it. If a person is usi…

"What makes distributions different are mainly the package manager and the packages in the repositories."

...and the packaging/updating philosophy, the packaging/defaults, the configurability. How they handle your hardware (hotplugging printers, monitors, mice). Batteries included or not. Power management.

E.g. Fedora always uses the latest upstream packages and doesn't patch them very much. Debian/Ubuntu/Mint use stable packages and patch them heavily. Many years ago one such patch in the (stable) Ubuntu kernel broke my (officially supported) file system, causing data loss. OTOH, Fedora can be a bit harsh to use for newbies.

Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by tomrod »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #39
JasonFruit wrote: post #6

Looking at the recommended hardware specs, I see that it absolutely requires 512MB RAM and recommends at least 2GB, yet it says it has modest hardware requirements. Ubuntu Server has a minimum RAM requirement of 64MB and recommends 256MB; I know an X server takes some memory, but does a reasonable desktop environment have to require 448MB to 1.75GB to run? Probably memory use is not a high priority, but it still seem…

I'm sure that are DE's that work well with less than 512MB of RAM, but there aren't any modern web browsers that do. They're going to put 512MB as a requirement no matter what the DE itself requires.

Elinks or links2 is quite servicable.

Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by mandus »

There are still days when I miss fvwm. Not because it was that great, but because I used it for so long that my fingers still remember the keyboard shortcuts I configured. But I moved to OSX and just had to adapt. I guess moving on isn't always the most important thing, but stay productive. If that mean staying with some old software I'm all for it.

Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by TimSAstro »

andyl wrote: post #32

I switched to Xubuntu and have grown to love XFCE more than I loved Gnome2. Best features: ability to script and directly hack configuration settings, basic features for window tiling. With scripts I can fully configure a dev box with a single command.

Interesting, I wondered if anyone else was playing with XFCE config this way. I have the important parts of my .config/xfce4 folder under git and replicated across 3 machines, which a branch for dual-screen tweaks on the desktop, etc. etc. I thought it was so cool that you can just figure this stuff out and get on with it!

Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by steanne »

thejdude wrote: post #38
steanne wrote: post #24

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Linux Mint has a Debian edition that is semi-rolling. I chose LMDE Mate, though I recently installed xfce and am thinking about keeping it.

I'd really like to switch to a Debian-based system, but ALL Debian-based distros seem to have TERRIBLE battery life, whereas Mint 17 has an excellent one (better than Arch/Manjaro or Fedora and on par with Windows 7). Sigh. And yes, I'm using powertop. Without it, Linux battery life is horrible.

ah, i wouldn't know, i prefer a desktop. i have been looking at other rolling distros, though. how did you like manjaro other than that?

Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by pooper »

I love Gnome 3. I don't like that sometimes virtual machines can't handle Gnome 3 on older machines but it runs pretty well in a virtual machine in my current notebook (y510p).

I don't understand the yearning for Gnome 2. Debian already has a Gnome classic shell for computers that can't handle Gnome 3. It'd be nice if people helped fix whatever they think is wrong with gnome 3 :(

Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

fingerprinter wrote: post #26

Gotta love how people just won't let go and move on. Imagine if all the diehard mac users ported OS9 to OSX because "OSX was forced on them". It's called progress. Gnome2 was a dying project when Unity was announced. Gnome3 was "coming soon", but flailing around. Unity is different, sure, but so was OSX to a degree when it came out. People need to move on. Unity is the present and future of Ubuntu. We've been talking…

Progress, in general, implies some sort of improvement. Unity is not necessarily an improvement or regression from GNOME 2, it simply is.

Also keep in mind that, architecturally, Unity is a replacement for the GNOME Shell, but is still heavily tied to the rest of the GNOME userland.

Re: Ubuntu Mate

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Post by scrollaway »

higherpurpose wrote: post #20
scrollaway wrote: post #15

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LXDE has been doing some fantastic efforts in polishing with LXQt. They recently finished porting everything to Qt 5. You might want to check them out - though most distros don't have packages from git.

Unfortunately, they haven't changed the design much.

Are you joking? The design is completely different to LXDE. It's a rewrite from scratch.
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