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The US economy shrank at an annualized rate of 2.9 percent in Q1

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Re: The US economy shrank at an annualized rate of 2.9 percent in Q1

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Part of this slowdown in consumer spending also has to do with the tightening of credit as well, making it more difficult for people without means to spend. In my opinion this is a great thing. When people are backed against a wall because they have no other way to pay for their livelihood than their salary, they're not going to be ok with stagnant wages and companies low balling them. Bring on the pain, I say. Real…

I wouldn't say that credit is driving up the costs of Bay Area homes, but the amount of wealthy workers in the area. And also consider that homes built today have to go through tons of regulatory costs (building codes, politics with permits), there are new technologies installed, AC, internet, upgraded roofing, better foundations, upgraded wiring, possibly an HOA, rec center, etc, paved sidewalks in front of every ho…

Sorry, but I vehemently disagree. With my salary and credit history, I can qualify pretty easily for a $6-800k home. That all-of-a-sudden puts me in a market that I wouldn't have dreamed of being part of before the loan was offered, if, instead, I had to pay cash, or pay a substantial portion of the amount of the home in cash (50-75%, for instance).

If this was true across the board (tightened credit), homes simply would not sell at their current prices. Most people, with the expenses of day-to-day living, would have a very difficult time scrounging up $600k for the down payment of a home, if they could do it at all in their lifetime. Meanwhile the stock of unsold homes and anxious homeowners looking to move would grow. Market forces would eventually push these prices down.

This isn't even theory. This literally happened after the crash when banks stopped loaning money. People wanted to buy houses, and why not? Loan rates were insanely low. But a substantial portion of the population found it difficult to extend their credit further, or get first-time credit, and thus house prices tanked around the country.

You're right that the Bay Area is unique. We have a dangerous combination of: The aforementioned credit, many highly paid people, and people who are younger, and perhaps less intelligent with how they evaluate the value of things, using credit as a sledgehammer to get what they want. But even well-payed engineers couldn't afford the houses around here without substantial credit extension.

Re: The US economy shrank at an annualized rate of 2.9 percent in Q1

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That unemployment graph is rather breathtaking, both because it illustrates how impactful the '08 crash was, and how little we've recovered since then. Is there any chance that the graph could be misleading, or should it be believed at face value that one in four people are unemployed?

The graph doesn't start at 0 on the Y-axis. It would be a lot less striking if the scale ran from 0-100 instead of the cherrypicked 74-81 scale. Also, this is labor force participation, not unemployment. If you carried this back to the 1950s, it would be around 60%, because most women didn't work back then. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CIVPART

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Re: The US economy shrank at an annualized rate of 2.9 percent in Q1

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Your analysis assumes healthcare is like any other commodity. While the primary aim of the ACA is not overall cost reduction (but, rather, make it affordable for the uninsured to get insurance), there are several reasons it could go down that path. The marketplaces and minimum standards for insurance plans make it easier to comparison shop. The fact that people will have insurance will lead to earlier and cheaper tre…

Check out the Oregon Medicaid study and you'll find evidence that counters your claims, namely that access to healthcare improves health outcomes (i.e. early detection and treatment did not lead to measurably better outcomes). [1] It's a pretty impressive study. They took a number of uninsured in Oregon and held a lottery. Half of the people got free access to Medicaid and the other half remained uninsured. The study…

Two years of Medicaid expansion in a relatively young city?

Seems like the study didn't reach any significant conclusions at all...

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