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Just how much is that 2% really worth?

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Re: Just how much is that 2% really worth?

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Nice skit. Small point: Fixed positioning of column on right (contaning calculations) obscures the bottom few lines on desktop (the result), probably due to expecting a greater vertical resolution. On mobile (Android) it completely obscures all input forms.

Utterly unusable on Android*.

EDIT: Works on iOS.

Re: Just how much is that 2% really worth?

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post #15
post #7

My advice to people who want to work in a startup is always very simple: Ignore any equity. If you'd take the job without any equity then take the job. If the equity is part of your reason for taking the job, you probably shouldn't take it. Base rate neglect[1] means we are terrible at evaluating the probability of equity being valuable. For every story about someone making millions out of their equity when the start…

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For a moment I thought this comment was just really good Markov chaining. What's that "LIPs not logging in" stuff about?

Re: Just how much is that 2% really worth?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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For a moment I thought this comment was just really good Markov chaining. What's that "LIPs not logging in" stuff about?

My best guess is that someone wrote their comment in a scratch buffer in an external editor and copy-pasted one line too many. :)

Re: Just how much is that 2% really worth?

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post #21
post #12

Nice skit. Small point: Fixed positioning of column on right (contaning calculations) obscures the bottom few lines on desktop (the result), probably due to expecting a greater vertical resolution. On mobile (Android) it completely obscures all input forms.

Utterly unusable on Android*. EDIT: Works on iOS.

Worked on iOS for me?

Re: Just how much is that 2% really worth?

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post #7

My advice to people who want to work in a startup is always very simple: Ignore any equity. If you'd take the job without any equity then take the job. If the equity is part of your reason for taking the job, you probably shouldn't take it. Base rate neglect[1] means we are terrible at evaluating the probability of equity being valuable. For every story about someone making millions out of their equity when the start…

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Re: Just how much is that 2% really worth?

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post #13

This reminds me of the early-stage startup that offered me a $55k salary in a big city and zero equity to be engineer #3. They told me that if after a year I'd become an integral member of the team then we could discuss equity. Meanwhile they tried to sell me on the job by saying that if the company succeeded we'd never have to work again.

I really don't understand what these companies try to accomplish by essentially lying to you and trying to defraud you of your value. Do they really think you'd sitck around for long under these terms after you find out inevitably how badly you're getting fucked?

A lot of the startups that I see that try this are doing it because they really believe that they're bringing the value in this relationship - that they're going to be so successful, there's so much money here, they have SUCH a good concept, that the applicant should be grateful to get in on the ground floor.

Of course, 90%+ of the time they're totally wrong about everything about what they're bringing to the table, and in the other times, they'll often conveniently change things around to benefit them, like, "Well, you know, I know we said 4% of the company once we raised series A, but honestly, your contributions have not been what we expected, and so you really only are entitled to 1%"

To quote "The Spanish Prisoner":

Jimmy Dell: I think you'll find that if what you've done for them is as valuable as you say it is, if they are indebted to you morally but not legally, my experience is they will give you nothing, and they will begin to act cruelly toward you.

Joe Ross: Why?

Jimmy Dell: To suppress their guilt.

Re: Just how much is that 2% really worth?

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post #13

This reminds me of the early-stage startup that offered me a $55k salary in a big city and zero equity to be engineer #3. They told me that if after a year I'd become an integral member of the team then we could discuss equity. Meanwhile they tried to sell me on the job by saying that if the company succeeded we'd never have to work again.

That's not really much different than the standard one year cliff.

Re: Just how much is that 2% really worth?

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post #26
post #7

My advice to people who want to work in a startup is always very simple: Ignore any equity. If you'd take the job without any equity then take the job. If the equity is part of your reason for taking the job, you probably shouldn't take it. Base rate neglect[1] means we are terrible at evaluating the probability of equity being valuable. For every story about someone making millions out of their equity when the start…

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Your analogy is analogous to swiss cheese. It's near given that a volunteer firefighter will encounter a fire. However, most startups fail and provide poor job security. Equity should not be factored unless it is a tremendous amount. A couple percent is a joke. 10% and up becomes reasonable, and should be understood to be merely a bonus for working for an early-stage company.

Just the job security alone is enough to balance out the equity. A shitty salary is not an excuse.

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