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Ambitious Artificial Intelligence Project Operating In Near-Secrecy For 30 Years

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Examining Company news section of the cyc website is way more interesting that the article: http://www.cyc.com/media-coverage

And here is how that page looked in 2003: http://web.archive.org/web/20031204204518/http://www.cyc.com...

Quite a few of the publications are missing from most recent one. It is also worth noting that news page link was broken from 2003 until recently.

Re: Ambitious Artificial Intelligence Project Operating In Near-Secrecy For 30 Years

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Low profile? Really? Or still in the winter of the old AI? Cyc more like hardcoded more than "taught" as stated in the article.

Agreed. Cyc is far from low profile. It was in Omni magazine back in the day - and it's a common example of (problematic) GOFAI approaches.

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Doug Lenat is, to me, the most confusing case of someone in AI. He programmed a general problem solver (Eurisko) to use (meta^n)-heuristics that solved a major strategy game, coming up wih a creative plan no human thought of, and yielding insights on the field of heuristics and the "Representation Language Language".

... and then "went dark", "officially" working on this tedious, brittle attempt to compile common sense into a graph, which yielded nothing in practical application.

It's like we're in a movie and we're about to get a big reveal that he's really been using Eurisko to solve major untouchable problems.

Re: Ambitious Artificial Intelligence Project Operating In Near-Secrecy For 30 Years

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Low profile? Really? Or still in the winter of the old AI? Cyc more like hardcoded more than "taught" as stated in the article.

Not really, no. I remember talking about Cyc in my AI classes in university, and I graduated in '97.

Then again, Business Insider...

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Doug Lenat is, to me, the most confusing case of someone in AI. He programmed a general problem solver (Eurisko) to use (meta^n)-heuristics that solved a major strategy game, coming up wih a creative plan no human thought of, and yielding insights on the field of heuristics and the "Representation Language Language". ... and then "went dark", "officially" working on this tedious, brittle attempt to compile common sen…

Since when people call him "Doug"? :) Eurisko had some amazing accomplishments, but some questioned their authenticity saying Douglas and students help it a bit. Anyway, Douglas Lenat is my all-times idol and I hope this prolonged "stealth mode" was the intermission of something great. Isn't Freebase.com his project as well?

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If you read "Why AM and Eurisko Appear To Work" [1] and the precursor papers it becomes clear that they relied heavily on humans annotating what counted as an "interesting" concept, both for training and for extraction of concepts to publicize. Not necessarily a bad thing (every supervised algorithm need supervision) but it was a little hype-y ("my robot has independently discovered natural numbers!"). They also ran into major tractability problems as the heuristics got more involved.

Under the hood it was basically genetic algorithms over a meta-object protocol to extract well-scoring arrangements from ontologies, which is damn interesting, but combinatoric complexity bites you every time.

Kenneth Haase published a couple of papers dealing with some of the issues in more depth.

[1] http://eksl.isi.edu/files/library/Lenat_Brown-1984-why-AM-an...

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