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Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by derefr »

nothxbro wrote: post #18
aagha wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of Product Hunt because it's an echo chamber personified. It's what happened to Quora, and I don't think that strategy will work twice. Here here. I think Product Hunt is interesting to look at once in a while to see what others think is hot, but I hate the closed nature of it. There's no obvious way to get selected to make submissions or comments. In fact, when I read Carlos Bueno's post on QZ, the fir…

The way to get selected to submit or comment appears to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it and minoritys and women seem to be under represented. I am sure if he chimed in here, he would say something along the lines of "We are super excited to open it up to everyone but want to do things correctly and not hurt the quality! With that in mind we are only letting a few people in…

> to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it

That's an odd way to say that; are you trying to say that nepotism in general is inherently misogynistic in some way? I mean, sure, Ryan's buddies are straight white dudes because Ryan is a straight white dude, and people tend to make friends with people they share culture with. But if Ryan was a gay black lady, nepotism wouldn't somehow cause her to want to hire straight white dudes nonetheless, would it?

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by nothxbro »

nothxbro wrote: post #18
aagha wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of Product Hunt because it's an echo chamber personified. It's what happened to Quora, and I don't think that strategy will work twice. Here here. I think Product Hunt is interesting to look at once in a while to see what others think is hot, but I hate the closed nature of it. There's no obvious way to get selected to make submissions or comments. In fact, when I read Carlos Bueno's post on QZ, the fir…

The way to get selected to submit or comment appears to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it and minoritys and women seem to be under represented. I am sure if he chimed in here, he would say something along the lines of "We are super excited to open it up to everyone but want to do things correctly and not hurt the quality! With that in mind we are only letting a few people in…

@derefr Yes, that would happen. Thats why the PH way of doing things is shitty.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by [deleted] »

nothxbro wrote: post #18
aagha wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of Product Hunt because it's an echo chamber personified. It's what happened to Quora, and I don't think that strategy will work twice. Here here. I think Product Hunt is interesting to look at once in a while to see what others think is hot, but I hate the closed nature of it. There's no obvious way to get selected to make submissions or comments. In fact, when I read Carlos Bueno's post on QZ, the fir…

The way to get selected to submit or comment appears to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it and minoritys and women seem to be under represented. I am sure if he chimed in here, he would say something along the lines of "We are super excited to open it up to everyone but want to do things correctly and not hurt the quality! With that in mind we are only letting a few people in…

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Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by austenallred »

Our product (http://grasswire.com) was recently also on the top of HackerNews and ProductHunt (Show HN:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7954327 , ProductHunt: http://www.producthunt.com/posts/grasswire). No TechCrunch writeup yet.

Not all posts are created equal, so it's important to note that we never hit #1 on HN to my knowledge. We were #2-4 for the majority of the day, and fell off the front page about 24 hours later. We also had a blip where we were removed before we could show our post wasn't a dupe, so we lost an hour there.

HackerNews Traffic:

HackerNews day 1: 5,750

HackerNews day 2: 1,115

HackerNews day 3: negligible

HackerNews Total: 6865

HackerNews was posted on a fairly slow Friday, so it's probably different if you post Monday morning. We had 82 total upvotes on HN.

On ProductHunt we were/are one of the top products ever, so I have no idea what it's like if you don't get a lot of upvotes. We also posted to ProductHunt on Monday morning.

ProductHunt Traffic:

ProductHunt day 1: 1,273

ProductHunt day 2: 465

ProductHunt email: 1,114 (this is rough, because I only have it as "direct" traffic, so I'm estimating what our direct traffic is on a given day and subtracting that out. But we're new enough this could be off).

ProductHunt day 3: 247

ProductHunt total: 3,126

Day 3 is today, so I don't have much data, but ProductHunt certainly has a slower drop if you're going to die. Though, again, that's probably only true if you have 150+ upvotes on ProductHunt.

But that's quantitative. Let's go qualitative.

As far as the feedback we got, HN was 10x better. Almost all of the people commenting on PH work for PH, so I assume there's a lot of dog fooding going on. It's a very young product, so it's understandable, but I can't see that growing unless there's more happening there.

Some negatives of ProductHunt are that I've had people go through and tweet at everybody who voted for us (including me) because your twitter account is publicly listed when you vote. That's kind of annoying.

Overall, why not post to PH? But it has a lot of ground to make up before it catches HN. Anecdotally, I check every single "Show HN." I've maybe clicked on two or three things on ProductHunt, mostly because I don't care enough about other people's products to seek the site out specifically.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by aagha »

austenallred wrote: post #24

Our product ( http://grasswire.com ) was recently also on the top of HackerNews and ProductHunt (Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7954327 , ProductHunt: http://www.producthunt.com/posts/grasswire ). No TechCrunch writeup yet. Not all posts are created equal, so it's important to note that we never hit #1 on HN to my knowledge. We were #2-4 for the majority of the day, and fell off the front page about 24…

Thanks for posting. I saw grasswire when it was posted on PH and immediately took to it; I think you're doing a great job with "visual news".

Re your question:

Overall, why not post to PH?

Because, for the most part, you can't. You have to be invited to do so, making it (near?) impossible to get on unless you know someone who knows someone who already has access.

What do you mean by "Almost all of the people commenting on PH work for PH"?

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by aagha »

murtza wrote: post #19
minimaxir wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good rule of thumb with Hacker News is that you get 90-100 unique visitors for every upvote on a post given that it hits the front page. (as someone whose blog has hit the top of HN multiple times, I can attest to this) The app received 6100 hits with 76 HN points, so that's a good estimate. I'm not a fan of Product Hunt because it's an echo chamber personified. It's what happened to Quora, and I don't think that s…

I mod /r/SideProject, which is a subreddit similar to Product Hunt. Do you have any recommendations on how to prevent the subreddit from turning into an echo chamber? http://www.reddit.com/r/sideproject

Have you thought about joining forces w/ /r/producthunt and/or /r/startups?

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by minimaxir »

austenallred wrote: post #24

Our product ( http://grasswire.com ) was recently also on the top of HackerNews and ProductHunt (Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7954327 , ProductHunt: http://www.producthunt.com/posts/grasswire ). No TechCrunch writeup yet. Not all posts are created equal, so it's important to note that we never hit #1 on HN to my knowledge. We were #2-4 for the majority of the day, and fell off the front page about 24…

Some negatives of ProductHunt are that I've had people go through and tweet at everybody who voted for us (including me) because your twitter account is publicly listed when you vote. That's kind of annoying.

Wait, what? Is that expected behavior for PH?

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by rrhoover »

minimaxir wrote: post #28
austenallred wrote: post #24

Our product ( http://grasswire.com ) was recently also on the top of HackerNews and ProductHunt (Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7954327 , ProductHunt: http://www.producthunt.com/posts/grasswire ). No TechCrunch writeup yet. Not all posts are created equal, so it's important to note that we never hit #1 on HN to my knowledge. We were #2-4 for the majority of the day, and fell off the front page about 24…

Some negatives of ProductHunt are that I've had people go through and tweet at everybody who voted for us (including me) because your twitter account is publicly listed when you vote. That's kind of annoying. Wait, what? Is that expected behavior for PH?

What were they tweeting exactly and why were they messaging people that voted for the product? We have seen founders reach out to people that upvoted on Twitter, thanking them for their support but that's different than what Austen described.
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