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Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#101

Post by coldtea »

vdaniuk wrote: post #30
insuffi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly not that Putin needs to suppress dissent from his own people. It's a very small minority in Russia that would like Putin removed. Now, if we're talking about the west investing x billion in "democratic institutions"(Ukraine, anyone?), it makes some sense for Russia to isolate itself. Obviously, it's easy to paint Russia as evil, but the cold war is over, buddy.

That's hilarious. People in Russia support Putin exactly because there are virtually no free mass media. This is one of the latest steps to block access to all media channels that may oppose Russian cleptocratic government.

>That's hilarious. People in Russia support Putin exactly because there are virtually no free mass media.

That's BS. They support him because he is not a bloody puppet like Yeltsin and co, and the alternatives are worst.

He might support cronyism, but that's nothing compared to selling your country wholesale to the highest western bidder, like a sorry excuse of a lackey.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#102

Post by insuffi »

vdaniuk wrote: post #100
cinskiy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're painting everything black and white here. I'm Russian, I have no TV at home, I get all my news from reddit and twitter, and I still support Putin, though I don't like him a lot. You're right about mass media, but that doesn't mean you can't have sources of information you like. Russia is not North Korea. Putin brought quality of life in Russia to a pretty nice level, and he keeps doing it, and a lot of…

Oil brought quality of life in Russia to a pretty nice level, despite Putin corrupt government, not because of him. Most people conform to a majority opinion. Its dangerous to be publicly against Putin and new russian militarism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_of_silence And right, you all "saw" what happened to Ukraine, it's not that Russia annexed Crimea and supports separatists in the east, nope.

Just like it was the russians in Odessa that burned all those people alive? Please.

Russia barely supports anyone in the east. Even NY times(the newspaper that was fully pro Iraq war) went in, talked to the separatists and found out they're just pro federalization.

Your blind hate for Putin is apparent. You'll start blaming earthquakes in Oklahoma on him soon.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#103

Post by BugBrother »

insuffi wrote: post #96
exelius wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is spot on. Russians had a ton of structure for ~70 years, then one day all of that disappeared. Outside the big cities, things did kind of go to shit for a long time, with many youth addicted to drugs or simply jobless and desperate. This led to a rise in extreme nationalism among the youth, who pine for the "good old days" when Russia was a global superpower. You know those racist, alcoholic rednecks in Alabam…

Just to make it clear, I don't disagree with your first two paragraphs regarding nationalism and alcoholism, but your apologetic attitude for the US is somewhat worrying. Except for Ukraine, which is a controversial subject, when was the last time Russia directly threatened a sovereign nation and overthrew their governments? Now, how about the US in the last 14 years - Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Haiti, Gaza Strip,…

First, let me note that it isn't really relevant to complain about a second party as "answer" to criticism of a first one.

Check http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grozny_ballistic_missile_atta...

Or other information about Russian atrocities in that war. (The whole point with drones is that they are pinpoint attacks, with relatively low civilian casualities.)

And USA is a tempering influence, re Gaza. Consider what would happens if Finland or a Baltic country used rocket artillery against St Petersburg? No, better to not consider that... (shudder.)

The same goes for most of your other examples.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#104

Post by BugBrother »

insuffi wrote: post #102
vdaniuk wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oil brought quality of life in Russia to a pretty nice level, despite Putin corrupt government, not because of him. Most people conform to a majority opinion. Its dangerous to be publicly against Putin and new russian militarism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_of_silence And right, you all "saw" what happened to Ukraine, it's not that Russia annexed Crimea and supports separatists in the east, nope.

Just like it was the russians in Odessa that burned all those people alive? Please. Russia barely supports anyone in the east. Even NY times(the newspaper that was fully pro Iraq war) went in, talked to the separatists and found out they're just pro federalization. Your blind hate for Putin is apparent. You'll start blaming earthquakes in Oklahoma on him soon.

I ask one question to recognize astroturfing from the Putin junta:

If you check the larger democracy indexes, they have started to show Russia as "authoritarian" now, i.e. not democratic at all.

Is that a Western conspiracy?

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#105

Post by insuffi »

BugBrother wrote: post #103
insuffi wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to make it clear, I don't disagree with your first two paragraphs regarding nationalism and alcoholism, but your apologetic attitude for the US is somewhat worrying. Except for Ukraine, which is a controversial subject, when was the last time Russia directly threatened a sovereign nation and overthrew their governments? Now, how about the US in the last 14 years - Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Haiti, Gaza Strip,…

First, let me note that it isn't really relevant to complain about a second party as "answer" to criticism of a first one. Check http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grozny_ballistic_missile_atta... Or other information about Russian atrocities in that war. (The whole point with drones is that they are pinpoint attacks, with relatively low civilian casualities.) And USA is a tempering influence, re Gaza. Consider what woul…

1) That was not what I was doing. He was comparing Russia and the U.S. in the last paragraph, so it was very relevant.

2) If we're talking about atrocities, let's talk about 100,000 casualties in Iraq.(most conservative estimate). Additionally, 2,400 dead from drone strokes. Most, if not all, without due process in Pakistan and Yemen.

3) Tempering influence? Are you serious? Is it tempering to overthrow governments and install new ones while denationalizing oil contracts? I heard Lybia's a democracy now and not a shithole.

U.S. is just as bad as Russia. Your time of being the beacon of light and democracy is gone.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#106

Post by insuffi »

BugBrother wrote: post #104
insuffi wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like it was the russians in Odessa that burned all those people alive? Please. Russia barely supports anyone in the east. Even NY times(the newspaper that was fully pro Iraq war) went in, talked to the separatists and found out they're just pro federalization. Your blind hate for Putin is apparent. You'll start blaming earthquakes in Oklahoma on him soon.

I ask one question to recognize astroturfing from the Putin junta: If you check the larger democracy indexes, they have started to show Russia as "authoritarian" now, i.e. not democratic at all. Is that a Western conspiracy?

Read the nytimes article, and look up videos from the Odessa massacre.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#107

Post by hexleo »

>The Russian government has moved one step closer towards a “China-like” approach towards Internet services. Bad news for Russian. In China sometimes you want to use google to search something is deny. We use some software to cross the "Great Fire Wall" to see the whole world.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#108

Post by BugBrother »

insuffi wrote: post #105
BugBrother wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, let me note that it isn't really relevant to complain about a second party as "answer" to criticism of a first one. Check http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grozny_ballistic_missile_atta... Or other information about Russian atrocities in that war. (The whole point with drones is that they are pinpoint attacks, with relatively low civilian casualities.) And USA is a tempering influence, re Gaza. Consider what woul…

1) That was not what I was doing. He was comparing Russia and the U.S. in the last paragraph, so it was very relevant. 2) If we're talking about atrocities, let's talk about 100,000 casualties in Iraq.(most conservative estimate). Additionally, 2,400 dead from drone strokes. Most, if not all, without due process in Pakistan and Yemen. 3) Tempering influence? Are you serious? Is it tempering to overthrow governments a…

>>Tempering influence? Are you serious? Is it tempering to overthrow governments

"Tempering influence" was specifically about Gaza.

But you know that.

>>100,000 casualties in Iraq

First, let me note I am not defending the Iraq invasion. Not because I cares about the rights of evil juntas, but because it was so badly managed it even increased the suffering.

Second, those in Iraq were mainly killed in a civil war by people also trying to kill Americans. It is not trivial to blame Americans for that...

I think you know that, too.

About drone strikes -- both the Pakistani and Yemeni governments accepted them. In Pakistan unofficially, because the extremists targets polticians/media/etc with the "wrong" opinions.

I think you know that, third...

Etc.

Edit: I might add that I'm not American. Please keep personal attacks relevant at least, propagandist.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#109

Post by BugBrother »

insuffi wrote: post #106
BugBrother wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ask one question to recognize astroturfing from the Putin junta: If you check the larger democracy indexes, they have started to show Russia as "authoritarian" now, i.e. not democratic at all. Is that a Western conspiracy?

Read the nytimes article, and look up videos from the Odessa massacre.

So you refuse to criticize the Putin junta for being non democratic? Thanks, that is all I need for an opinion about you.

[I guess it is time for you to use another account to lower the HN quality? :-( A quick browsing through your comment hostory is mostly USA criticism and pro-dictators, mainly Russia. Very little to none of programming or development. ]

How is the weather in Moscow, by the way? (St Petersburg? Some military base somewhere?)

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

#110

Post by disputin »

disputin wrote: post #50
informatimago wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA does all it can to cut Russia off from the rest of the world.

Russia doesn't help itself with its oppressive paranoia.

I'm guessing it's not Pussy Riot voting me down.
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