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Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by vidarh »

qwerta wrote: post #21
vidarh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite. The EU Data Protection Directive requires that personal data a company collects can not be moved somewhere where the consumer will have weaker protections than in the EU. This has required some workarounds, such as "safe harbour" provisions that US companies need to accept in order to receive personal data from EU companies that have collected them from users, which basically boils down to that the US comp…

But US companies are target to NSA survailence and data disclosure, so they can not comply with EU regulations by definition.

Some have made that argument, but EU companies are also subject to disclosure laws. E.g. Regulation of Investigative Powers Act (RIPA) in the UK. So it is unclear whether this would affect anything.

That said, one of the objections that caused the Data Retention Directive to fall in the EU courts was privacy considerations, so who knows. To find out we'll need a lawsuit.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by PeterGriffin »

This will be enforced only against companies big enough to be on Russia government's radar.

Big companies already have content distribution networks and server farms all over the world. And since Russia is hardly the first country to pass such a law, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and many others have already had algorithms in place to ensure user data stays local for certain countries.

Now they'll just add Russia to the list.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by insuffi »

vdaniuk wrote: post #60
insuffi wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh wow, a putinbot. Great argumentation.

Yes, based on your argumentation, your anonymous profile and your posting history, there is a big chance that you are paid to post here. Don't really care about your opinion, but other HN readers should know about the situation with Russian propaganda on social media: http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterhimler/2014/05/06/russias-m...

Right. I bet they pay a lot, lol.

Since you're more concerned with attacking me ad hominem, I guess I'll just join in. You are paid by the NSA[0]. Mind-blown!Since, after all, character assassination is the way lead a discussion.

Additionally, your name sounds ukrainian. You must be a right wing ULTRA then! How is that for being a putinbot. See how ridiculous you look throwing accusations at people just because they disagree with you.

[0]https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/04/04/cuban-twitter-...

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by jonnybgood »

huhtenberg wrote: post #2

It's a post-Snowden world, so I can't say I'm surprised nor that I think it's ridiculous. I also strongly suspect that EU will follow the suit shortly.

Outside bubbles such as HN and others on the internet, the post Snowden world doesn't exist. What you'll see is just grandstanding as it was with Germany. There is no benefit to the EU or rationale to take similar measures.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by omgtehlion »

alexro wrote: post #51
4k wrote: post #26

I think the problem with privacy violation is twofold. 1) Protecting Citizen's data from snooping attempts of foreign intelligence agencies. Which is state's responsibility imo, which in this case it's carrying out. In this regard, this is good news, 2) Protecting Citizen's data from the state itself. This is a particularly tricky one, since there's no government agency which acts as counterweight to the intelligence…

Russian intelligence agencies had access to everything all along. Every big telecom in Russia is obliged to implement the necessary procedures.

Even not that big telcos have to install SORM h/w. At their own expense of course...

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by rdtsc »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #22

Brilliant move: Protect the Russian citizens from foreign government spying by making sure that all their data stays in their own country under the protection of their democratic government. Oh wait...

Granted they could have done it before as well, it is just that the shining example of "open" and "free" has been revealed to suck up and spy on everything and everyone so now they can easily do it because there NSA did the PR bit for them. "Oh look the evil NSA is taking out citizens' data". You see, it actually is so and no matter how sarcastic you want to get it is still true.

Same with terrorism. When we attacked Afghanistan and Iraq with the War Of Terror. That opportunity didn't escape the Russians, they quickly issues a letters of support of American people blah blah and then proceeded to switch to running their own War of Terror in Chechnya. This was very nice as they just let the US Dept Of State do all the PR for them.

> of their democratic government.

Well presumably our democratic government is terrific. We have great income inequality, we torture people in some hidden loophole prison on a island, we invaded multiple countries with some WMD fake pretest. We are blasting away even our own citizens with drones in countries we are not even at war with. So one can argue democracy is not really that nice, it obviously doesn't work very well or out people are just mean and evil. Which, then, maybe they don't deserve democracy.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by guard-of-terra »

vitalique wrote: post #53
insuffi wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except birth rate in Russia has been rapidly increasing in the last 14 years. They are making steps to legalize content, such as vkontakte legalizing 70% of their media material.

Yay teen pregnancy!

Nope, it isn't. First birth age is growing like everywhere in post-transit countries.

(This also leads to statistics under-predicting birth rate)

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by ryanpardieck »

bad_user wrote: post #38
spindritf wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium Not even close. This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. They don't trust their own citizens, not "corporations and other stewards of this medium." You're buying a flimsy excuse for cracking down on free speech. Their problem has never been th…

> This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. No government can act without the acceptance of a majority of the citizens. China's firewall can only exist because the Chinese people are accepting it in the name of protecting children or other such bullshit - brits should watch out, as their personal liberties have been eroded in the name of safety for too long. And if…

I think you're conflating "not actively overthrowing their government in violent revolution" with majority acceptance.

That governments are inevitably an extension of their citizens' will is a thing that sounds nice to believe, but isn't necessarily true. It's easy to imagine situations where a small minority gains forceful control of a majority. Whether that is the case for any one nation is a much trickier question, but it certainly can happen.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by pjc50 »

bad_user wrote: post #38
spindritf wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium Not even close. This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. They don't trust their own citizens, not "corporations and other stewards of this medium." You're buying a flimsy excuse for cracking down on free speech. Their problem has never been th…

> This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. No government can act without the acceptance of a majority of the citizens. China's firewall can only exist because the Chinese people are accepting it in the name of protecting children or other such bullshit - brits should watch out, as their personal liberties have been eroded in the name of safety for too long. And if…

Acquiescence is not acceptance.
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