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Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by alexro »

4k wrote: post #26

I think the problem with privacy violation is twofold. 1) Protecting Citizen's data from snooping attempts of foreign intelligence agencies. Which is state's responsibility imo, which in this case it's carrying out. In this regard, this is good news, 2) Protecting Citizen's data from the state itself. This is a particularly tricky one, since there's no government agency which acts as counterweight to the intelligence…

Russian intelligence agencies had access to everything all along. Every big telecom in Russia is obliged to implement the necessary procedures.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by walshemj »

bad_user wrote: post #38
spindritf wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

balkanisation of the Internet is a natural result of the erosion of trust in corporations and other stewards of this medium Not even close. This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. They don't trust their own citizens, not "corporations and other stewards of this medium." You're buying a flimsy excuse for cracking down on free speech. Their problem has never been th…

> This is another regime looking to suppress dissent, just like China has been doing all along. No government can act without the acceptance of a majority of the citizens. China's firewall can only exist because the Chinese people are accepting it in the name of protecting children or other such bullshit - brits should watch out, as their personal liberties have been eroded in the name of safety for too long. And if…

um no the Chinese army's main role is supressing internal dissent.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by vitalique »

insuffi wrote: post #27
abc123xyz wrote: post #11

While at 143 million people Russia has the largest population, this is rapidly shrinking, Russian internet (runet as they call it) was already mostly balkanised mainly due to language. I find it amusing that they are doing this in "the name of combating piracy" when right now a certain russian site is hosting 1.2 million (mostly western) pirated ebooks and 28 million pirated scientific articles

Except birth rate in Russia has been rapidly increasing in the last 14 years. They are making steps to legalize content, such as vkontakte legalizing 70% of their media material.

Yay teen pregnancy!

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by bottled_poe »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #22

Brilliant move: Protect the Russian citizens from foreign government spying by making sure that all their data stays in their own country under the protection of their democratic government. Oh wait...

What makes you think that a democratic government is different from any other system of government in this regard? It's funny how ideology and reality never seem to align, isn't it?

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by jacquesm »

huhtenberg wrote: post #20
jacquesm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The motivations Russia has for doing this are not currently present in the EU so I highly doubt that.

Pray tell what these motivations are. Just talk through them and then ask yourself if they are in fact "not present" outside of Russia given all the NSA and GCHQ shenanigans that have surfaced.

This is all about their ability to censor and has nothing to do with the stated reasons (combating piracy / protecting the privacy of Russian citizens and other fig leafs).

If you want to know the real motivations for this then it helps to remember Putin's origins and articles like this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-telecoms-watchdog...

The rest of Europe does not (for now) share any of those motivations with the Russian rulers.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by vdaniuk »

alexro wrote: post #48
vdaniuk wrote: post #30

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That's hilarious. People in Russia support Putin exactly because there are virtually no free mass media. This is one of the latest steps to block access to all media channels that may oppose Russian cleptocratic government.

Russians prefer a cleptocratic government with Putin than a cleptocratic government without Putin. There are no non-cleptocratic governments in the world. Power corrups ... you know the rest of this, right?

Just stop this craptastic argument of "every government is the same". Another favorite argument taken directly from putinbots social media guidance.

And stop using strawman arguments. No government is perfect but there are degrees of corruption in the government. Russian government is extremely corrupt, Iceland government is a little bit corrupt. One is better than another. God, do I really have to post trivia on HN?

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by davidjgraph »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #22

Brilliant move: Protect the Russian citizens from foreign government spying by making sure that all their data stays in their own country under the protection of their democratic government. Oh wait...

I don't agree. The difference is you vote for your own government (Russia has a democratic voting system, how the candidates are selected...well...). If you vote in a government that does that to its people, that's your business.

Foreign governments owe you nothing, you can't reasonably complain about them abusing your rights if you put them in a position where they can.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by disputin »

insuffi wrote: post #44
bitL wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is obviously preparing for a war. They are trying to build and control their own services for everything (finance, e-commerce, even CPU manufacturing etc.) so that the country doesn't collapse once it is cut off from the West, the weakness China doesn't have. It sucks for all the people that want to enjoy freedom there.

Or rather it has to do with Russia and the Brics trying to subvert the dollar, not war. Not to mention, there's no way it would get cut off from the west at this point, if only in political rhetoric. Nordstream and Southstream kicked Washington in the balls at every turn, to the point where they're almost dropping their intentions. Next, the west has a shit ton of money invested in the Russian stock markets. Their st…

Agreed, economic war, geopolitics, power plays, bravado, provocation, badgering, undermining, not military war.

Re: Russia Moves To Ban Online Services That Don’t Store Personal Data In Russia

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Post by vdaniuk »

insuffi wrote: post #47
vdaniuk wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, yes, what about the USA. The favorite argument of putinbots. Because there are no other countries in the world, right?

Oh wow, a putinbot. Great argumentation.

Yes, based on your argumentation, your anonymous profile and your posting history, there is a big chance that you are paid to post here.

Don't really care about your opinion, but other HN readers should know about the situation with Russian propaganda on social media: http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterhimler/2014/05/06/russias-m...

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