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Re: Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin

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If the numerous and massive data breaches, and subsequent credit card theft and fraud events of the last few years have taught us anything, it is that yes paying in bitcoins has one fundamental advantage: you are never handing the store your full billing info which can be stolen and reused by fraudsters. Now, Bitcoin also has its own security challenges (eg. how to secure a wallet), but there are solutions (hardware…

Except when that happens with credit cards you're protected from loss so it doesn't matter as a consumer.

In fact, you aren't out the money at all, ever.

If someone steals my credit card and runs up $8000 in charges on it, I'm not out $8000. There is a piece of paper somewhere that says I owe $8000, but that's not being out the money.

One might have a model of "net worth" as "total assets minus total debts," and normally it's a decent model, and this makes net worth go down. But illegitimate debts put a wrinkle in that model.

Never underestimate the advantage of having money versus being owed money. (This is a start-up lesson, too.)

Re: Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the numerous and massive data breaches, and subsequent credit card theft and fraud events of the last few years have taught us anything, it is that yes paying in bitcoins has one fundamental advantage: you are never handing the store your full billing info which can be stolen and reused by fraudsters. Now, Bitcoin also has its own security challenges (eg. how to secure a wallet), but there are solutions (hardware…

Except when that happens with credit cards you're protected from loss so it doesn't matter as a consumer.

How naive you are. You could basically be arrested and branded as a pedophile if your CC info is stolen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7326736.stm

I recognize this is an extreme story, but you cannot claim that CC info theft "does not matter". When it happens, there are many ways in which it can turn in a big pile of hassle for you.

Re: Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin

#73
post #9

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You are wrong, there is tremendous consumer growth happening. The two biggest US processors (BitPay and Coinbase) release numbers every once in a while. One example: "Since [...] October, along with the integration with Shopify in November, [...] the transaction volume has tripled." Source: http://blog.bitpay.com/2013/12/11/bitpay-exceeds-100-000-000...

https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions I don't see any growth. Also, 70k transactions/day - one average shopping mall.

It has grown by a factor of 4 in the past two years (visible when you switch to the 2 year or 'all time' scale).

Re: Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin

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post #70

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I would much rather spend 10 minutes on the phone with my credit card company once every couple years contesting fraudulent transactions than have the potential for all of my money to be stolen if I make one security fuck up ever. The number of "I had all my bitcoins stolen, here is the list of 25 security precautions I've taken, where did I fuck up" articles is terrifying. I'm willing to sacrifice the 1% savings or…

You completely ignored my 2nd paragraph. NONE of the theft victims you read about used hardware wallets.

They'll be replaced by people that forgot their PIN and lost the paper backup.

Re: Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin

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post #9
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Pay 1% more(or 3%-8% more if you have a cash back card and depending on where you bought your coins) to save them 2% and lose all consumer protections in the deal. It's no wonder there is almost no consumer growth in the bitcoin world while new merchants are announced every other day.

You are wrong, there is tremendous consumer growth happening. The two biggest US processors (BitPay and Coinbase) release numbers every once in a while. One example: "Since [...] October, along with the integration with Shopify in November, [...] the transaction volume has tripled." Source: http://blog.bitpay.com/2013/12/11/bitpay-exceeds-100-000-000...

https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume-...

this looks like a typical exponential curve to me

Re: Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin

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post #2

Pay 1% more(or 3%-8% more if you have a cash back card and depending on where you bought your coins) to save them 2% and lose all consumer protections in the deal. It's no wonder there is almost no consumer growth in the bitcoin world while new merchants are announced every other day.

I don't need consumer protection at Newegg. I don't know anyone that's ever had an issue with them.

Re: Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin

#77
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are wrong, there is tremendous consumer growth happening. The two biggest US processors (BitPay and Coinbase) release numbers every once in a while. One example: "Since [...] October, along with the integration with Shopify in November, [...] the transaction volume has tripled." Source: http://blog.bitpay.com/2013/12/11/bitpay-exceeds-100-000-000...

https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume-... this looks like a typical exponential curve to me

That looks like the price spiking and lots of trades happening, or alternatively a major individual player moving their coins around.

It definitely says nothing about consumer adoption.

Re: Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin

#78
post #20

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That's not what the timer is referring to. The 15 minute timer is in place due to the exchange rate. Newegg prices their items in dollars, BitPay converts it to a BTC price and presents that price to the user. They can't show that same BTC price forever, becasue if the price of bitcoin drops by 50% over 24 hours, and you decide to leave your window open and order then instead of now, you will get whatever you are buy…

If it's a moving spot price that lasts just 15 minutes, is the exchange market deep enough to keep people from abusing this? By placing a huge number of buy orders at a time when the market is quite shallow, all within a few minutes (temporarily driving the exchange price up sharply) the BTC-denominated price of goods on Newegg can become very low in a 15-minute windows. Huge numbers of orders ($millions) could then…

What protects against this is that if you put in a bunch of buy orders for BTC at high dollar amounts, a rash of people would rush to sell their BTC.

You might temporarily drive up the exchange price sharply, but at the cost of buy a ton of BTC at an inflated price.

Re: Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin

#79
post #2

Pay 1% more(or 3%-8% more if you have a cash back card and depending on where you bought your coins) to save them 2% and lose all consumer protections in the deal. It's no wonder there is almost no consumer growth in the bitcoin world while new merchants are announced every other day.

>lose all consumer protections in the deal.

Well I don't care about the ability to do chargebacks from newegg, and I care a lot about the ability to not get my financials stolen by hackers, so the "consumer protection" Bitcoin offers here looks pretty good to me.

Re: Newegg is now accepting Bitcoin

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post #73

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https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions I don't see any growth. Also, 70k transactions/day - one average shopping mall.

It has grown by a factor of 4 in the past two years (visible when you switch to the 2 year or 'all time' scale).

That hardly tells anything about consumer adoption though, but about trade volume.
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