Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by rurounijones » Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 8:03 AM UTC

lstamour wrote: post #39

nathanb wrote: post #21

So let me get this straight...Microsoft took down a free provider of dynamic DNS services because people have used those services to distribute and control malware? Where is the due process? Where is the oversight in this? All I'm seeing is vigilanteism.

Next time, read the rest of the article? > Microsoft has seen more than 7.4 million Bladabindi-Jenxcus detections over the past 12 months, which doesn’t account for detections by other anti-virus providers. Despite numerous reports by the security community on No-IP domain abuse, the company has not taken sufficient steps to correct, remedy, prevent or control the abuse or help keep its domains safe from malicious ac…

> Sure, it's creepy when courts have control over DNS entries, but ... they do.

In this case it was a US court and between two US companies, what if no-ip.com was French or UK or...

Would the US court still have authority in this case? Would MS have to go to a French / UK court?

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by runn1ng » Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 8:14 AM UTC

Buge wrote: post #191

livingparadox wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't serve No-IP's market, because No-IP is for frequently changing IP addresses. Namecoin charges for each record change, to my knowledge.

How often are updates necessary? It costs 0.8 cents to update a namecoin domain.

> It costs 0.8 cents to update a namecoin domain That's not fair to say.

It costs like this because the namecoin price is so low. However, if it was used more, the price would skyrocket.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 8:34 AM UTC

jrs235 wrote: post #166

wfjackson wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The last time they worried me was when "Microsoft shut down a million-strong Tor botnet, by uninstalling Tor from the computers". >Very few articles mentioned they were uninstalling Tor from the computers the last time around. Most were just churning Microsoft's press release and the hero narrative. Microsoft's security software did that, that too only stopped it from automatically starting if it was installed by a…

To opt out uninstall Microsoft's malicious software removal tool.

Ironic name. Software removal tool is malicious.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by dimman » Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 8:41 AM UTC

Do they want a thank you? So sad really because lately they've shown some small steps in what I thought was the right direction. Ignorance is bliss.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 9:17 AM UTC

wfjackson wrote: post #59

gcb0 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what if a company like microsoft approach you and say "look, i make billions while you make a few thousands, but please, go ahead and change your service because it is impacting my billion dollar windows sales and i can't be bothered to patching it on my product" granted, i'm not familiar with the matter. but I know what I would answer. also, removing noip or noip enabling whatever microsoft was bullying them to impl…

> "look, i make billions while you make a few thousands, but please, go ahead and change your service because it is impacting my billion dollar windows sales and i can't be bothered to patching it on my product" How can they patch it in their product without turning desktop Windows into something like iOS or Windows Phone/RT? Even Android has a ton of malware so the notion that Windows is somehow more hole ridden tha…

Linux solved this problem almost twenty years ago. You have a package manager that does not contain malware and does contain 95% of the software any user would install on a regular basis, and you make the process of installing software outside of the package manager possible but not trivial. You download a binary and it doesn't have the execute bit set, and you don't get any kind of friendly thing that pops up to ask you if you want to set it. So the sort of person who can't distinguish between legitimate software and malware also can't figure out how to install the malware, but you don't prevent people who know what they're doing from doing what they want.

The problem with Windows is that it has no package manager, so the default method of installing legitimate software is identical to the method of installing malware. The problem with Android is that the malware is in the app store. All you need is a known-good repository where you can get almost everything safely and people can spend most of their time. You don't then need to build a prison around it and trap everyone inside because most people will want to stay in the safe place. The people who want to (and can figure out how to) wander outside are the people who know what they're doing, and know to be suspicious of the things that conspicuously haven't been vetted by anyone else.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by dougaa » Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 9:29 AM UTC

tokenizerrr wrote: post #8

So does this mean no-ip.com is no more, or only a subset of their domains?

No-ip is operational, but no longer handles the 22 domains Microsoft took over. I use no-ip's DNS for a domain name that's registered somewhere else, and it's unaffected. From what I read somewhere else, the reason legitimate domain names are being affected is because Microsoft's servers can't handle the load.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by johnnyxp64 » Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 9:31 AM UTC

what the fuck is wrong with the world this days!!!??? are you all in prison because few morons stole something??? wtf Microsoft is wrong with you and you damn courts!???? i will sue you bastards because i am loosing money due to your stupid actions!!!!

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by pjc50 » Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 9:35 AM UTC

runarb wrote: post #20

Has I understood this correctly? Microsoft, a private company, has been granted the right to filter all dns traffic, and choose what will bee forward to this other company, No-IP. No-IP will so bee allowed to run there service for the remaining customers Microsoft approves? Is this common practices in the us legal system? Would it work like this in the offline world also? If my neighbor sometimes had loud parties tha…

Is this common practices in the us legal system?

Courts not understanding the social effects of technological law and making an order in favour of the more "respectable" looking party? Happens all the time.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by Rapzid » Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 9:42 AM UTC

jrs235 wrote: post #166

wfjackson wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The last time they worried me was when "Microsoft shut down a million-strong Tor botnet, by uninstalling Tor from the computers". >Very few articles mentioned they were uninstalling Tor from the computers the last time around. Most were just churning Microsoft's press release and the hero narrative. Microsoft's security software did that, that too only stopped it from automatically starting if it was installed by a…

To opt out uninstall Microsoft's malicious software removal tool.

An awesome free tool imo.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Post by andmarios » Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 10:33 AM UTC

andmarios wrote: post #52

Which dynamic DNS service will be next? But I have a better idea. Windows are an easy target for cybercriminals; maybe someone should step up and take Microsoft down.

Funny how I got all this downvoting because I used the exact same phrase as Microsoft did in their blog post to justify why they took down noip domains.

Microsoft wrote “Free Dynamic DNS is an easy target for cybercriminals”. Are my concerns that more free dynamic DNS services will follow unfounded?