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No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

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Re: No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might just as well say it is the IANA's fault for issuing the IP addresses the malware authors used, or Ford's fault for building the getaway car used in a bank robbery.

Your argument is ridiculous. Turning over IANA or Ford over to Microsoft would not prevent malware or robberies. Turning over NoIP to Microsoft will prevent malware (at least in the short term).

And what about any innocent users of Dynamic DNS who are currently suffering from the consequences of this action? No-IP's statement implies that this is somewhat widespread and due to Microsoft's inability to handle the responsibility it has somehow acquired in this case. Others on HN seem to be posting independent verification of this using standard tools from their own systems.

In short, it is neither obvious that turning over NoIP's domains to Microsoft will prevent malware, nor clear what should happen if it doesn't, and it is certainly not clear that Microsoft will not cause more damage than they repair by acting in this way or what should happen if they do.

Re: No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

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What I don't understand is the legal basis of Microsoft, a private entity, simply being handed over the property (the domain names) of another private entity. I understand that this is something that was ordered by a court, but under what legal theory was the order issued? I'm not a lawyer, but I think I've got at least a basic idea of the circumstances under which the government can take someone's property. This doe…

I don't think they had any opportunity to contest. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Registry Operators must: ... d. Shall completely refrain from providing any notice or warning to, or communicating in any way with Defendants or Defendants’ representatives and shall refrain from publicizing this Order until this Order is executed in full, except as necessary to propagate the changes ordered herein to all parts of the D…

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Re: No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

#43
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they had any opportunity to contest. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Registry Operators must: ... d. Shall completely refrain from providing any notice or warning to, or communicating in any way with Defendants or Defendants’ representatives and shall refrain from publicizing this Order until this Order is executed in full, except as necessary to propagate the changes ordered herein to all parts of the D…

How do we file the same action against Microsoft? I would like to take their domains for my own purposes, which are obviously far more worthy than what Microsoft is doing with them (I swear).

A good start would be to actually read the legal documents behind the case instead of assuming a lot from someone's comments with cherrypicked facts.

http://www.noticeoflawsuit.com/index.htm

Re: No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

#44
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they had any opportunity to contest. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Registry Operators must: ... d. Shall completely refrain from providing any notice or warning to, or communicating in any way with Defendants or Defendants’ representatives and shall refrain from publicizing this Order until this Order is executed in full, except as necessary to propagate the changes ordered herein to all parts of the D…

How do we file the same action against Microsoft? I would like to take their domains for my own purposes, which are obviously far more worthy than what Microsoft is doing with them (I swear).

Practically every instance of malware runs on Microsoft Windows.

If the stated goal is to defeat malware then windowsupdate.microsoft.com should be seized and routed to a non-interactive Windows Uninstaller.

Re: No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

#45
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might just as well say it is the IANA's fault for issuing the IP addresses the malware authors used, or Ford's fault for building the getaway car used in a bank robbery.

Your argument is ridiculous. Turning over IANA or Ford over to Microsoft would not prevent malware or robberies. Turning over NoIP to Microsoft will prevent malware (at least in the short term).

"Turning over NoIP to Microsoft will prevent malware"

Really? Not according to anyone with anything resembling a passing familiarity with malware and it's distribution...

Re: No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

#46

What I don't understand is the legal basis of Microsoft, a private entity, simply being handed over the property (the domain names) of another private entity. I understand that this is something that was ordered by a court, but under what legal theory was the order issued? I'm not a lawyer, but I think I've got at least a basic idea of the circumstances under which the government can take someone's property. This doe…

Nope. Now that they have been served they can basically get a hearing immediately and get it lifted though (assuming they have any form of response).

This is nothing new. Here is one a porn company got against a file locker service: http://www.xbiz.com/docs/xbiz/news/150302_oron062212.pdf. They eventually parlayed this into an asset freeze in Hong Kong.

Re: No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they had any opportunity to contest. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Registry Operators must: ... d. Shall completely refrain from providing any notice or warning to, or communicating in any way with Defendants or Defendants’ representatives and shall refrain from publicizing this Order until this Order is executed in full, except as necessary to propagate the changes ordered herein to all parts of the D…

Edit: Looks like Microsoft filed for and got a emergency temporary restraining order against all the defendants including No-IP. http://www.noticeoflawsuit.com/docs/Second%20Amended%20Order... Also this is No-IPs response to Cisco's previous accusations. http://www.noip.com/blog/2014/02/12/cisco-malware-report/ They did have lot of chances to contest. Apart from Microsoft's notices, the court sent a notice to No-IP w…

The plaintiff (Microsoft) is responsible for serving that summons, not the court (The court just issues it). The court didn't even certify the summons until 6/19, and there's no record of service, so we don't know when Microsoft served No-Ip.

That summons also says they have 21 days to respond, which, even if they were served on 6/19, hasn't elapsed yet.

EDIT: mikeryan's post above mine is even more clear - it looks like as soon as they opened the suit, they petitioned for the TRO without notifying NoIP and the court specifically granted them the right to not notify until after the TRO was served.

Re: No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they had any opportunity to contest. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Registry Operators must: ... d. Shall completely refrain from providing any notice or warning to, or communicating in any way with Defendants or Defendants’ representatives and shall refrain from publicizing this Order until this Order is executed in full, except as necessary to propagate the changes ordered herein to all parts of the D…

Edit: Looks like Microsoft filed for and got a emergency temporary restraining order against all the defendants including No-IP. http://www.noticeoflawsuit.com/docs/Second%20Amended%20Order... Also this is No-IPs response to Cisco's previous accusations. http://www.noip.com/blog/2014/02/12/cisco-malware-report/ They did have lot of chances to contest. Apart from Microsoft's notices, the court sent a notice to No-IP w…

Did you read that document that you linked to? There are two things about it that you may want to look at:

- First, it says "Within 21 days after service of this summons on you...you must serve on the plaintiff an answer.."

- Second, it is dated 06/19/2014

21 days from 06/19/2014 is July 10, 2014, a date which is still in the future. Do you have any other evidence that they didn't respond? Because the document you linked to is anything but evidence that they didn't respond.

Re: No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

#49
post #44
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we file the same action against Microsoft? I would like to take their domains for my own purposes, which are obviously far more worthy than what Microsoft is doing with them (I swear).

Practically every instance of malware runs on Microsoft Windows. If the stated goal is to defeat malware then windowsupdate.microsoft.com should be seized and routed to a non-interactive Windows Uninstaller.

Except all the malware on Android. But who's counting?

https://www.google.com/search?&q=android+malware&ie=UTF-8&oe...

Re: No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument is ridiculous. Turning over IANA or Ford over to Microsoft would not prevent malware or robberies. Turning over NoIP to Microsoft will prevent malware (at least in the short term).

"Turning over NoIP to Microsoft will prevent malware" Really? Not according to anyone with anything resembling a passing familiarity with malware and it's distribution...

In any event, the malware will at least not resolve to a no-ip.com address, since apparently nothing is able to consistently resolve to such addresses anymore...
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