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Recipe for a Better Oven

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Re: Recipe for a Better Oven

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Post by tptacek »

chasing wrote: post #9
chimeracoder wrote: post #5

In case you missed it, Nathan Myhrvold is also the founder of Intellectual Ventures[0], arguably the worst and most pernicious patent troll in the country[1][2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures#Controve... [2] http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/t...

Yup. And as such I do not feel we ought to be promoting any work of his on Hacker News.

This article isn't promoting Myrvhold's work. It is a collection of well-explained facts about the flaws of current oven designs.

Re: Recipe for a Better Oven

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Post by fezz »

devnill wrote: post #8
chollida1 wrote: post #2

The oven design is of course patent pending:) On a serious note, Like him or not his books/treatise on cooking is excellent. [1] I got it for my wife for Christmas about 3 or 4 years ago, can't remember, and all 5 books have been well used. You'll need a big kitchen for all the specialized gear he recommends but it made cooking fun for me and helped my wife go from an amateur enthusiast to someone who can hold their…

I'd seriously love to own his books but I refuse to give any cash to patent trolls directly.

On principle, it's one of the rare cases that I'm glad Modernist Cuisine is available as a Torrent. The man deserves it.

Re: Recipe for a Better Oven

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Post by dang »

chasing wrote: post #9
chimeracoder wrote: post #5

In case you missed it, Nathan Myhrvold is also the founder of Intellectual Ventures[0], arguably the worst and most pernicious patent troll in the country[1][2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures#Controve... [2] http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/t...

Yup. And as such I do not feel we ought to be promoting any work of his on Hacker News.

HN users are hopefully mature enough to make a distinction like that.

We did take his name out of the title, though, mainly because we usually do, but also because it's baity in this case, at least for this site.

Re: Recipe for a Better Oven

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Post by fezz »

There are two key innovations missing from this oven that would make it revolutionary. I won't say them out loud because Nathan might run and patent them...

Re: Recipe for a Better Oven

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Post by wetmore »

chimeracoder wrote: post #5

In case you missed it, Nathan Myhrvold is also the founder of Intellectual Ventures[0], arguably the worst and most pernicious patent troll in the country[1][2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures#Controve... [2] http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/t...

Completely true, and IV seems pretty terrible, but this also has nothing to do with his cooking expertise.

Re: Recipe for a Better Oven

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Post by chasing »

dang wrote: post #13
chasing wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. And as such I do not feel we ought to be promoting any work of his on Hacker News.

HN users are hopefully mature enough to make a distinction like that. We did take his name out of the title, though, mainly because we usually do, but also because it's baity in this case, at least for this site.

Hacker News is a community of technologists, many working in the start-up space.

This man, his company, and the industry he represents are a bane for many start-ups (and other companies, small and large).

Such a bane, in fact, that many people, including many on this site, are working hard and expending large amounts of resources to change laws to prevent this man, his company, and their ilk from continuing to be an economic drag on our entire industry.

But never mind all that. He's got some great ideas about ovens.

Re: Recipe for a Better Oven

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Post by tptacek »

chasing wrote: post #16
dang wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN users are hopefully mature enough to make a distinction like that. We did take his name out of the title, though, mainly because we usually do, but also because it's baity in this case, at least for this site.

Hacker News is a community of technologists, many working in the start-up space. This man, his company, and the industry he represents are a bane for many start-ups (and other companies, small and large). Such a bane, in fact, that many people, including many on this site, are working hard and expending large amounts of resources to change laws to prevent this man, his company, and their ilk from continuing to be an…

Yes. That exact sentence is exactly correct.

This little subthread is a microcosm of one way the whole site regularly goes off the rails. "Wet bulb temperature shmet bulb temperature, let's all yell about patent trolling!"

Re: Recipe for a Better Oven

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

fezz wrote: post #14

There are two key innovations missing from this oven that would make it revolutionary. I won't say them out loud because Nathan might run and patent them...

If you say them here they will form part of the prior art and a suitably date-verified version of your post would negate such an attempt at patenting those parts.

Of course a patent on a refinement or a specific implementation would still be possible.

Re: Recipe for a Better Oven

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Post by chasing »

tptacek wrote: post #17
chasing wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News is a community of technologists, many working in the start-up space. This man, his company, and the industry he represents are a bane for many start-ups (and other companies, small and large). Such a bane, in fact, that many people, including many on this site, are working hard and expending large amounts of resources to change laws to prevent this man, his company, and their ilk from continuing to be an…

Yes. That exact sentence is exactly correct. This little subthread is a microcosm of one way the whole site regularly goes off the rails. "Wet bulb temperature shmet bulb temperature, let's all yell about patent trolling!"

Fair enough. I'm not sure how else to communicate my distaste for giving Myhrvold additional attention on this site. But I'm getting down-voted, so my opinions are not shared by other people participating in this thread.

Thanks for engaging instead of simply down-voting.

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