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Re: The Economy

#31
post #7

He just suggested a basic income for everybody. I just wanted to point this out in case people missed it when skimming.

What surprising or remarkable about that? Basic income has been an extremely trendy topic lately.

Re: The Economy

#32
post #7

He just suggested a basic income for everybody. I just wanted to point this out in case people missed it when skimming.

I actually missed that because I essentially scanned this.

I didn't know Sam had any particular expertise in economics something that confounds people with pretty deep intellectual understanding and academics. That have been observing things for many many years. It's a black art.

And I tend to pass on anything that starts to mention facts and figures which can be made to achieve any point you want.

I did note that it ended with this of course:

"I think the path from our troubles will involve finding a way for economic growth to continue." Obviously a rising tide lifts all boats. But finding "a good lawyer" (to go all cliche here) is the problem.

Re: The Economy

#33
post #24

I'm not clear on how any of this will lead to a recession. Why will high Debt-to-GDP or government spending send the economy into a recession? Q1 GDP numbers were clearly affected by dismal weather (although still bad), but labor markets are improving markedly, and there are reasons for optimism. I don't see this as a very convincing bear case. For the bull case, see this post, from a guy who's been right about every…

i am a bull. i just think that we should talk about what the problems are. ignoring them is not a good way to fix them.

Re: The Economy

#34

Does anyone think we are heading towards an economic collapse?

Seeing as how "natural economic growth" is not infinitely sustainable (I'm operating under the assumptions that there are finite quantities of natural resources and human ingenuity is not infinite and infallible). It's probabilistically inevitable.

Natural resources are finite, but so long as we can improve our efficiency faster than some rate N, we will never run out of a given resource. Thank you Zeno's Paradox.

(Recycling also plays a part, though I don't know if it should be considered increasing the supply, or increasing our efficiency)

The only one that is a real problem is energy. Thanks to the laws of physics, we may not be able to forever increase our energy efficiency, and energy cannot be recycled.

Re: The Economy

#35
post #24

I'm not clear on how any of this will lead to a recession. Why will high Debt-to-GDP or government spending send the economy into a recession? Q1 GDP numbers were clearly affected by dismal weather (although still bad), but labor markets are improving markedly, and there are reasons for optimism. I don't see this as a very convincing bear case. For the bull case, see this post, from a guy who's been right about every…

Labour markets/Employment figures tend to lag other indicators.

Re: The Economy

#36
post #31
post #7

He just suggested a basic income for everybody. I just wanted to point this out in case people missed it when skimming.

What surprising or remarkable about that? Basic income has been an extremely trendy topic lately.

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Re: The Economy

#37
The first sentence prophesies 'collapse', but then reading on you see a recipe for a continuing mild recession.

Where does the collapse come in? (if it's nebulously caused spike in treasury rates, I'm not going to be convinced)

Re: The Economy

#38
post #24

I'm not clear on how any of this will lead to a recession. Why will high Debt-to-GDP or government spending send the economy into a recession? Q1 GDP numbers were clearly affected by dismal weather (although still bad), but labor markets are improving markedly, and there are reasons for optimism. I don't see this as a very convincing bear case. For the bull case, see this post, from a guy who's been right about every…

The financial press often defines recession as a technical term, meaning any two sequential quarters of negative GDP growth. NBER has a slightly different definition [1].

[1]: http://www.nber.org/cycles/recessions_faq.html

Re: The Economy

#39
post #24

I'm not clear on how any of this will lead to a recession. Why will high Debt-to-GDP or government spending send the economy into a recession? Q1 GDP numbers were clearly affected by dismal weather (although still bad), but labor markets are improving markedly, and there are reasons for optimism. I don't see this as a very convincing bear case. For the bull case, see this post, from a guy who's been right about every…

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Re: The Economy

#40
It's a dismal situation. Low interest rates mean cheap money in theory, but the "people" best equipped to take advantage of it are corporations. It's not like average people are able to start businesses just because the interest rate is low. However, low interest rates mean the penalty (to companies) for hoarding and for general risk aversion is also low. This means that lousy executives don't get a lot of investor pushback (companies don't have to do much to beat the risk-free rate) and can stick around indefinitely. The only thing that changes is that their exorbitant salaries go up (as do housing prices, college tuitions, and healthcare costs).

Meanwhile, for the 99%, this debt/poverty cancer just keeps growing inside the country, making it weaker every day: it's not just government debt-- although that is a real problem-- but student debt and credit cards as the replacement for Fordist wage increases.

The macro picture is bad, but the micro picture is even more dismal. Corporate management is becoming more self-serving and corrupt, internal policies of corporations are becoming more mean-spirited (many companies now require employees to use vacation when sick, and open-plan I think that startups and venture capital will continue to do well.

Ouch. Sorry to disagree, but... what's pushing people into startups is not that this VC-funded game is so great (it ain't) but that corporate employment has become such a raw deal. Now that big companies have ceased doing the right thing when it comes to investing in their employees, avoiding layoffs unless absolutely necessary, etc., we've reached a point that shoestring long-shots called "startups" look like a good idea in comparison. The startups haven't improved. (In fact, they've become worse.) The alternatives, however, have gone to shit.

VC-funded startups are notoriously cheap, and stinginess leads to mediocrity. For example, they don't pay relocation, don't pay for education, and usually involve 80+ percent "employee contributions" on health insurance. Some even make people take fucking vacation days to attend conferences. If you look at it honestly, "we're a startup" is usually just used to justify being a terrible company.

Now, the proper strategy is either to bet big on someone, or not hire that person, and (in general) to be very selective. (If you're not willing to pay full relocation, you shouldn't be hiring that person at all.) The problem is that these VC-funded startups are so weak in terms of technical talent that "hire a few strong people and bet big on them" isn't a viable strategy, because they can't get the first part down. So they have to hire large (as in, a large number of people... like 30 before they even launch) and so they offer crappy salaries, dogshit equity, and nonexistent perks in the hope that one of the clueless 22-year-olds who takes their offer will be an undiscovered talent. Occasionally, it works out that way. Most of the time it doesn't. Hence, the high failure rate of VC-funded startups.

VC has been, and will continue to be, an underperforming asset class and there's a clear reason why. The main players aren't optimizing for the performance of their portfolios but their careers (and, to be fair, I can't blame them; I'd do the same in their shoes). Their career goals push them to over-collaborate (read: collude) and that creates that disgusting culture of co-funding. But as soon as you have important decisions made by committee, mediocrity is a result because you're now biased in favor of mediocre/never-offends-anyone people instead of high-variance people who actually do the fucking work.

Personally, I think that innovation and new technology is what will save us.

Eventually, yes. But I think we're going to see things get a lot worse before they start getting better. I don't think that the US or the world economy is in terminal decline, but I think we have another 10-15 years of ugliness before things start to improve.

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