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Tell HN: Jonathan Dale's Cancer Fundraiser isn't Doing Well & Time's Running Out

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Tell HN: Jonathan Dale's Cancer Fundraiser isn't Doing Well & Time's Running Out

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This was posted on HN a few months ago and got a lot of attention at the time (751 points), but I figured I would post a reminder to everyone about Jonathan Dale's cancer fundraiser. There's less than a month remaining and they only have about 10% of their goal:

https://www.giveforward.com/fundraiser/w704/beating-cancer-one-dollar-at-a-time-with-jonathan-dale

Original post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7390638

Re: Tell HN: Jonathan Dale's Cancer Fundraiser isn't Doing Well & Time's Running Out

#4
European here; I've clicked the link and read the introductory text but I am still not fully informed, so here I ask.

Why is Jonathan's health insurance not covering the treatment? Is it because of the terminality? Or because of the way the US health insurance system works?

I have very little experience with American insurance systems, but it seems that the public is asked to fund the costs of a family which was let down by the insurance system, and which desperately asks for more time with Jonathan.

Personally, this makes me less inclined to donate; donating would feel like I am throwing money at a problem which a foreign country (one of the richest in the world) is not able to fix itself.

Re: Tell HN: Jonathan Dale's Cancer Fundraiser isn't Doing Well & Time's Running Out

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European here; I've clicked the link and read the introductory text but I am still not fully informed, so here I ask. Why is Jonathan's health insurance not covering the treatment? Is it because of the terminality? Or because of the way the US health insurance system works? I have very little experience with American insurance systems, but it seems that the public is asked to fund the costs of a family which was let…

Interesting take and I don't necessarily disagree. My guess is that most people who are donating don't have wider policy on their mind, only helping someone fill an individual need.

Something analogous to a Red Cross/Crescent which does not want to influence policy directly, only to help individuals.

Re: Tell HN: Jonathan Dale's Cancer Fundraiser isn't Doing Well & Time's Running Out

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European here; I've clicked the link and read the introductory text but I am still not fully informed, so here I ask. Why is Jonathan's health insurance not covering the treatment? Is it because of the terminality? Or because of the way the US health insurance system works? I have very little experience with American insurance systems, but it seems that the public is asked to fund the costs of a family which was let…

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Re: Tell HN: Jonathan Dale's Cancer Fundraiser isn't Doing Well & Time's Running Out

#8
I believe the problem here may be the audience. When you need to appeal to human emotions for action, scientists and engineers are the wrong place to go looking. The top comment here gives an accurate picture of what would go through most HN reader's minds.

I highly suggest reposting to Reddit if not done so already.

Re: Tell HN: Jonathan Dale's Cancer Fundraiser isn't Doing Well & Time's Running Out

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European here; I've clicked the link and read the introductory text but I am still not fully informed, so here I ask. Why is Jonathan's health insurance not covering the treatment? Is it because of the terminality? Or because of the way the US health insurance system works? I have very little experience with American insurance systems, but it seems that the public is asked to fund the costs of a family which was let…

I think criticizing the US Healthcare system is perfectly reasonable.

But it sounds as though you think that not donating to this individual will have some indirect effect on improving things for other people in the future.

Re: Tell HN: Jonathan Dale's Cancer Fundraiser isn't Doing Well & Time's Running Out

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European here; I've clicked the link and read the introductory text but I am still not fully informed, so here I ask. Why is Jonathan's health insurance not covering the treatment? Is it because of the terminality? Or because of the way the US health insurance system works? I have very little experience with American insurance systems, but it seems that the public is asked to fund the costs of a family which was let…

I have to agree. This keeps on happening: fundraisers for people in the US whose insurance is failing to cover their medical bills. Such fundraisers only work if there's a community (such as HN) to appeal to. If your path in life did not lead you into a community to fundraise from, you're just plain doomed.

And I'm going to get very political for a moment here: There is a lot of enthusiasm on HN for "market forces", and a lot of hero worship of people who could build their wealth in part because things like a lack of decent healthcare make doing business in the US very cheap.

I wish Jonathan Dale nothing but the best. Supporting him because he needs it is great and compassionate, but supporting him because he's One Of Us, when HN is usually so happy to cheerlead for a system that caused this in the first place? It makes me cringe.

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