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Drinking behind 1 in 10 deaths of working-age adults

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Re: Drinking behind 1 in 10 deaths of working-age adults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or David Nutt's suggestion that, as a public health issue, we should be trying to engineer a drug with the same subjective effects as alcohol but without the toxicity or addictiveness: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/11/alcohol... (such a chemical would, in practice, be immediately banned in most countries)

Isn't this what quaaludes were in the 70s and 80s? (and they were quickly banned)

Habit forming and toxic, so no. But yes, they were banned.

Re: Drinking behind 1 in 10 deaths of working-age adults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or David Nutt's suggestion that, as a public health issue, we should be trying to engineer a drug with the same subjective effects as alcohol but without the toxicity or addictiveness: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/11/alcohol... (such a chemical would, in practice, be immediately banned in most countries)

Isn't this what quaaludes were in the 70s and 80s? (and they were quickly banned)

http://www.drugs.com/quaaludes.html

Doesn't seem to fit the bill to me, it has strong withdrawal effects and makes people do reckless things, according the link above.

Re: Drinking behind 1 in 10 deaths of working-age adults

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While we are at it, can we list some other addictions that we use to cope with life. Me personally, it's gambling, pornography, sulking alone, facebooking acquaintances to see how they're doing better than me or worse, checking sports score and living vicariously through the lives of professional athletes on and off the field, checking TechCrunch/Hack News and doing the same with tech billionaires, making up lists an…

Your rant is too long to read.

That's not true. Please don't be mean to a fellow user.

Re: Drinking behind 1 in 10 deaths of working-age adults

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While we are at it, can we list some other addictions that we use to cope with life. Me personally, it's gambling, pornography, sulking alone, facebooking acquaintances to see how they're doing better than me or worse, checking sports score and living vicariously through the lives of professional athletes on and off the field, checking TechCrunch/Hack News and doing the same with tech billionaires, making up lists an…

Thank you for sharing the honest evaluation of your life. The only advice I can give you after having lived in the, from my point of view, shallow American tech world: move to Europe.

The people in most European countries will be less welcoming at first, but I can tell you, if you stick through you will find them to be more profound.

It helps that we don't have an American Dream which focusses on financial prosperity through hard work, but rather a joy of life (joie de vivre) which encourages us to enjoy the beauty of life and nature.

Travel to Tuscany or Portugal and see for yourself.

Re: Drinking behind 1 in 10 deaths of working-age adults

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I drink way too much. I've accepted this. What stops me from drinking way too much? Not much, because I'm able to rationalize my drinking with the many beneficial effects touted. There's a lot of information about how drinking a bit is helpful for heart disease and how it basically reduces mortality across the board. More information is needed about how drinking is HARMFUL beyond cirrhosis and the short term effects…

IIRC, someone else with more expertise may show up, but the studies showing that drinking is helpful for heart disease say that this is about drinking one. Not "way too much" - mortality increases dramatically if you drink way too much, over what it would be if you didn't drink at all. The advantage of drinking is completely erased by drinking too much. The message isn't as mixed as you think.

This is essentially correct as far as I understand things. There is epidemiological evidence that As a physician I tell my patients that there may be a benefit from such very carefully controlled, modest drinking, but there is almost certainly a benefit from abstaining rather than over-drinking.

Alcohol overuse makes you look old (yes I will appeal to vanity); it suppresses your bone marrow and makes you anemic; it causes dilated cardiomyopathy; it destroys the liver in time and will make you gut dump fluid into your belly, causing you pain until you develop liver cancer or bleed into your throat and die; it causes its own form of brain wasting; etc. It is an extraordinarily dirty drug.

Most of these effects come from sustained heavy drinking, but many people can sustain this level of drinking and still be productive, so that is not a useful gauge of how heavy your drinking is.

Re: Drinking behind 1 in 10 deaths of working-age adults

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Many of my most gifted employees, partners and colleagues are/were heavy drinkers (not alcoholics; I know those, but in other professions); I see a lot of programmers drink heavily simply to 'forget'. For many there simply are not a lot of ways to leave the problem solving of the day for the next day or, god forbid, over the weekend. The only way to lift it over a period is dope (or burnout) for them. I see it as a big issue but I don't know how normal it is; I would say very normal as I witnessed it in 100s of programmers, but that might be restricted to the regions (EU/RU) I mostly worked in. I can understand it though; I have been working for 13 hours today on a hard coding issue and in the end I found a bug in the solution. But that was 'enough' I thought and closed the laptop 4 hours ago. I cannot stop thinking about it and I just opened my computer to type this and solve the bug (It is 00:30 am sunday morning here). Booze would've let me forget. What ways are you all using to do that? I tried meditating which works but after that it just pops back.

Re: Drinking behind 1 in 10 deaths of working-age adults

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Many of my most gifted employees, partners and colleagues are/were heavy drinkers (not alcoholics; I know those, but in other professions); I see a lot of programmers drink heavily simply to 'forget'. For many there simply are not a lot of ways to leave the problem solving of the day for the next day or, god forbid, over the weekend. The only way to lift it over a period is dope (or burnout) for them. I see it as a b…

Exercise. You are focused on reps or breathing and you zone out. Really effective way to shift your focus and improves mental condition too.

Re: Drinking behind 1 in 10 deaths of working-age adults

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Many of my most gifted employees, partners and colleagues are/were heavy drinkers (not alcoholics; I know those, but in other professions); I see a lot of programmers drink heavily simply to 'forget'. For many there simply are not a lot of ways to leave the problem solving of the day for the next day or, god forbid, over the weekend. The only way to lift it over a period is dope (or burnout) for them. I see it as a b…

Exercise. You are focused on reps or breathing and you zone out. Really effective way to shift your focus and improves mental condition too.

Agreed. That's also a good way and I do that too, actually today for an hour, but after the cooldown I want to still solve the issue today... Mind you ; I really love what I do and it's my work and hobby and passion, but sometimes I want to shut it off.

Re: Drinking behind 1 in 10 deaths of working-age adults

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Having in mind how many deaths are caused by health issues related to obesity what number should be in headline "Eating behind _ in 10 deaths of working-age adults"?

Obesity alone is not the cause of those deaths; it is just another symptom. In fact, when fat is stored subcutaneously, there appears to be little to no increase in mortality, and, for some (middle aged women at least), it is actually protective. The real disease is metabolic syndrome , which affects both thin people and fat people. It is a constellation of disorders including abdominal weight gain, fatty liver disea…

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