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Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by coldtea »

uptown wrote: post #112
coldtea wrote: post #106

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> I'm not even so worried about Adobe letting Lightroom languish as I am about them using their newfound monopoly position to at last move Lightroom into the mandatory Creative Cloud subscription model that ate the Creative Suite last year. I think they've already done that, a few months ago.

You can still buy stand-alone Lightroom, though they also offer it as part of the $10/month Photography subscription where you get both Photoshop and Lightroom.

I see. I had the impression the standalone version was off-ed by now.

I myself have forked for the PS + Lightroom subscription -- and I hate subscriptions --, and the reason was, that, if I am not mistaken, you can't use the Lightroom app for iPad without the subscription.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by coldtea »

calinet6 wrote: post #35
netcraft wrote: post #29

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I'm not sure I agree with you - they released Lightroom 5 around the same time as the CC transition, and as far as I can tell they haven't updated it since beyond support for new cameras and bug fixes, which I would have expected for lightroom 5 anyway. The last major update I can find is over a year ago now. They have released Lightroom Mobile but thats all I am aware of. I hope you are right though and that they do…

I think Lightroom was already a bit of a cultural separation from Creative Suite. It's more like Creative Cloud is playing catchup with Lightroom's model, which was already fairly modern and nice. I don't think the monthly model discourages innovation -- as a product person, more people using the new product is more motivating for the organization, not less.

>I don't think the monthly model discourages innovation -- as a product person, more people using the new product is more motivating for the organization, not less.

Well, "more people/more motivation" wasn't exactly the case with Quark. Or with lots of enterprise software companies having their customers by the balls.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by coldtea »

interpol_p wrote: post #99
abruzzi wrote: post #65

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My only hope is this doesn't turn into a FinalCut-type fiasco where what they consider the new "pro" isn't all that useful for pro. (Yes, I know more pros are on adobe lightroom, but I really hate renting software so I'm not going in that direction.)

I really like what Apple did with FCP X and use it quite a lot. I'm probably in the minority though.

Actually tons of editors have reversed their opinions with the subsequent updates.

As of 10.1 I don't think anybody thinks it's any kind of bad program anymore.

Initially it was mostly people not understanding that a "rewrite from scratch" is inevitably going to lose some of their features, but will provide a better foundation for future stuff. Plus, some professional users think that the rules of software development don't apply to them, and that some features they used in 2002 should continue to exist in 2014, because "we're pro". And Apple discontinuing fcp 7 prematurely didn't help with that either.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by matwood »

jakejake wrote: post #28
matwood wrote: post #14

I used Aperture for a long time, and last year moved to Lightroom. Aperture has been effectively dead for awhile and this news is just confirmation.

I'm a fairly happy aperture user but have been thinking about moving for a while since practically everybody uses Lightroom. How did you find the transition?

Not too bad. I spent a weekend figuring out the different workflow and then some time learning the LR adjustments. The part that took the most time was unlearning/relearning the different hot keys for basic operations.

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Post by netcraft »

netcraft wrote: post #11

Years ago we had the choice of Aperture or Lightroom - we have been happy with that decision so far and this just confirms it. But lightroom still leaves a lot to be desired from a photo management perspective - and I wish there were more alternatives. I'm afraid that the one main competitor going away will cause improvements to languish in lightroom. Even though we didn't use Aperture, I will be sorry to see it go.

Replying to myself - this is a good sign and hopefully means I'm wrong: http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2014/06/apple-apertur...

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by 1stop »

coldtea wrote: post #122
calinet6 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Lightroom was already a bit of a cultural separation from Creative Suite. It's more like Creative Cloud is playing catchup with Lightroom's model, which was already fairly modern and nice. I don't think the monthly model discourages innovation -- as a product person, more people using the new product is more motivating for the organization, not less.

> I don't think the monthly model discourages innovation -- as a product person, more people using the new product is more motivating for the organization, not less. Well, "more people/more motivation" wasn't exactly the case with Quark. Or with lots of enterprise software companies having their customers by the balls.

Quark wasn't subscription and it fell down the "Who cares about OS X anyway" hole. Adobe saw that, and smashed indesign onto the market.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by coldtea »

1stop wrote: post #126
coldtea wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think the monthly model discourages innovation -- as a product person, more people using the new product is more motivating for the organization, not less. Well, "more people/more motivation" wasn't exactly the case with Quark. Or with lots of enterprise software companies having their customers by the balls.

Quark wasn't subscription and it fell down the "Who cares about OS X anyway" hole. Adobe saw that, and smashed indesign onto the market.

I'm not strickly talking about subscription vs no subscription.

I think the key distinction, which is common in Quark of old and Adobe's subscription model, is "having the customers by the balls".

And the problem I'm reffering to with Quark was not the "Who cares about OS X anyway". It was about arrogant and complacent company, not caring about its customers in general, even in the platforms it did support.

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by nimish »

pling wrote: post #120
lutorm wrote: post #74

Do pros really want to store their photos "in the cloud"? I'm just an amateur and have ~500GB of photos. Uploading that much is almost impossible over a normal asymmetric home internet connection, and I imagine professional photographers must have multi-terabytes of data easily.

Not a chance. Takes too long to upload and download and the 'cloud' data usage and rights assignment stuff is pretty unclear. My father (a pro) has about 3TiB on a NAS and AIT backup.

Offsite backups are critical. What happens when wherever you're storing those nas drives / tapes gets flooded or destroyed?

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by 1stop »

coldtea wrote: post #127
1stop wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quark wasn't subscription and it fell down the "Who cares about OS X anyway" hole. Adobe saw that, and smashed indesign onto the market.

I'm not strickly talking about subscription vs no subscription. I think the key distinction, which is common in Quark of old and Adobe's subscription model, is "having the customers by the balls". And the problem I'm reffering to with Quark was not the "Who cares about OS X anyway". It was about arrogant and complacent company, not caring about its customers in general, even in the platforms it did support.

Adobe have picked up the pace massively since CC.

I'd call it the opposite of complacency. I work heavily in most of their products (the entire Adobe suite), and the amount of features they are releasing and the speed at which they are doing it, is amazing given their size.

If you focus on one product (like lightroom, which is a minor product at best) then sure, it doesn't look like much, but take a look at Edge, InDesign, Flash, etc, and there is a lot of improvements taking place.

How are they not caring?

Re: Apple to Cease Development of Aperture and Transition Users to Photos for OS X

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Post by coldtea »

1stop wrote: post #129
coldtea wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not strickly talking about subscription vs no subscription. I think the key distinction, which is common in Quark of old and Adobe's subscription model, is "having the customers by the balls". And the problem I'm reffering to with Quark was not the "Who cares about OS X anyway". It was about arrogant and complacent company, not caring about its customers in general, even in the platforms it did support.

Adobe have picked up the pace massively since CC. I'd call it the opposite of complacency. I work heavily in most of their products (the entire Adobe suite), and the amount of features they are releasing and the speed at which they are doing it, is amazing given their size. If you focus on one product (like lightroom, which is a minor product at best) then sure, it doesn't look like much, but take a look at Edge, InD…

>Adobe have picked up the pace massively since CC.

Yes, but it's also the opening stage of this. They would risk a backlash if they started their CC-only period as complacent. After all CS6 still works atm.

A few years down the road though?

After all Quark was also innovating and caring at first.

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