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Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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Re: Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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Point is they are plentiful - I can hail a cab in minutes but if they become rare I could wait 30 minutes for the 'special' cab to show up.

If they become rare, wouldn't the market supply more cabs? I mean, how do you think food supply works?

"The free market will fix it" has historically not been an effective answer to problems the disabled have.

Re: Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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I am not a fan of the medallion system, but Uber does seem to impact the businesses of traditional, local cab drivers while raking in profits on a global scale. It looks like a perfect middle-class job destroying operation that centralizes profits in one multinational company. As someone put it, those with the more powerful computers will win the economic spoils.

Are the taxi drivers allowed to use both Uber and the medallion system?

Many do.

Re: Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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Of course regulation is needed. Insurance, car-standard, driver skill, all of that has to be known by the customer merely by the fact that you are stepping into a taxi. Can there be too much regulation, too archaic? Sure, but I can't see how that motivates sidestepping it entirely. In Stockholm, taxis (normal ones) are regulated in terms of insurance etc. but unlike most other cities, taxi prices are not regulated. T…

> I miss the days of more regulation, but won't use Uber merely because they don't guarantee union wages etc like the other companies do.

This raises the question, do you refuse to use any service that doesn't guarantee union wages? If so, picking up an econ textbook will pay for itself in no time.

Re: Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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The problem with cabs is the information asymmetry. You dot know before you're getting in how good their knowledge is, this means that knowledgeable drivers can't charge more and you get a 'market of lemons'. This is a classic form of market failure, and is a strong case for regulation.

So any small business or startup without name recognition should be restricted from the marketplace by a higher authority until a government entity approves its service? Is that what you're saying? Wouldn't this basically kill Ycombinator?

Yes, that's how it works. If you want to run a restaurant you need to obtain a certificate saying that it's safe and hygienic, if you want to run a theatre you need to make sure that emergency exits are clearly marked and that there is sufficient ventilation, and also, if you want to transport people for money you need to have a certificate that says that 1) you are able to physically 2) your vehicle is in good enough condition. For all of those things you need the "higher authority" and it's a good thing.

Re: Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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>>Most notoriously, attaining “The Knowledge” required for a taxi license involves memorizing hundreds of routes, business locations, and places of interest throughout the city. Charming, but expensive — and quite unnecessary in the age of smartphones. Says a person who has never been to London and doesn't understand the enormous benefit of intimate knowledge of all the streets of London and how to navigate them quic…

Agreed, that isn't just London, in NYC it is the same way. There are seasonal changes in traffic that can completely alter the route you should take to different parts of the city that seem illogical. Navigation systems don't currently take that into account.

Re: Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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>>Most notoriously, attaining “The Knowledge” required for a taxi license involves memorizing hundreds of routes, business locations, and places of interest throughout the city. Charming, but expensive — and quite unnecessary in the age of smartphones. Says a person who has never been to London and doesn't understand the enormous benefit of intimate knowledge of all the streets of London and how to navigate them quic…

Last time I was in London, I mentioned the name of a grotty backpackers hostel, not even remembering what road it was on, and the driver immediately started off towards it. Compare this to having to mess about on Google Maps for five minutes to figure out where we're going and potentially end up on the wrong side of the city anyway, which has happened to me in other cities. There's definitely something in having your…

I think the vast majority of people would rather look it up on Google Maps for five minutes and save $5.

Re: Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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I have no problem with regulation. I object to artificial limitation. If you want to set minimum standards for taxi drivers, to ensure the safety of drivers, I am absolutely fine with that. But anyone who wants to take the test should be able to, and there should be no artificial limit on the numbers.

One interesting aspect of limiting taxi numbers is that, as far as I understand the history, the first instance of doing so was imposed on taxi drivers by the public, rather than imposed by taxi drivers for guild-type reasons. London passed (one of?) the first taxi-regulation laws in the mid 17th century in response to popular outcry about the rapidly multiplying and unregulated hackney carriage operators; the law tr…

That might make sense for hailed taxis, in which there is a congestion risk, as drivers have to maintain visibility on dense roads.

It has much less relevance for a purely call-and-wait service, which is why application to services like Uber is questionable.

Re: Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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I'd rather pay cheaper fares, but thanks for deciding for me.

The problem with cabs is the information asymmetry. You dot know before you're getting in how good their knowledge is, this means that knowledgeable drivers can't charge more and you get a 'market of lemons'. This is a classic form of market failure, and is a strong case for regulation.

There's nothing stopping a competitor from starting a cab company that charges more and gives all their employees a difficult test. Of course, few would use it because few are willing to pay more money for having a knowledgeable taxi driver.

Re: Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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Maybe it's just that it's not really an issue where I live, but what problem is Uber trying to solve?

The main issue is getting a taxi in really small towns in the middle of nowhere, but it seems unlikely that Uber would have someone in these places, simply because there isn't really a demand.

I find it really hard to see Uber as anything but a taxi company that tries to underbid the competition by not following the same rules as everyone else.

Re: Uber isn’t the problem; taxi regulations are

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I was in London, I mentioned the name of a grotty backpackers hostel, not even remembering what road it was on, and the driver immediately started off towards it. Compare this to having to mess about on Google Maps for five minutes to figure out where we're going and potentially end up on the wrong side of the city anyway, which has happened to me in other cities. There's definitely something in having your…

I think the vast majority of people would rather look it up on Google Maps for five minutes and save $5.

If they can look things up on Google Maps, they can take the tube or the bus or even cycle, reduce congestion, and hopefully save that £2.94.
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