Free the H-1Bs, Free the Economy

Post by agmiklas » Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 6:29 PM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #25

sachinag wrote: post #14

This is bullshit. Here's actual data: http://www.businessweek.com/table/08/0305_h1b.htm More (I don't know the source, but seems correct): http://www.myvisajobs.com/Top_Visa_Sponsors.aspx Lookit, a lot of the H1-B slots are being taken up by consulting firms. We don't have a shortage of H1-Bs; we just allocate them poorly. That's what we need to fix. As to the (what I consider a minor) founding issue, that's pretty s…

I agree. This is like trying to fix the high rate of injuries by getting more band-aids. To me it seems the article is advocating changing the legislation to make it more convenient for immigrant workers. That is of course followed by a stern warning to us 'xenophobes' that if we don't our economy will be ruined. They should instead advocate for punishing large corporations for gaming the system, underpaying H1-B emp…

Post by xiaoma » Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 6:40 PM UTC

fnid wrote: post #2

This is a very biased article. The author neglects to mention that a very large portion of income generated by foreign born workers is sent home by those workers. The money doesn't stay in America to benefit the American economy. It also doesn't benefit the case to call those opposed to more immigration Xenophobes . They aren't xenophobes, they are rationally aware of the situation. Also, what he says is not true acc…

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Post by gojomo » Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 6:46 PM UTC

vaksel wrote: post #11

rantfoil wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's two issues here -- one is that there's a brain drain in the United States. The best and the brightest are leaving. They can't stay, because we won't let them. The fix is letting them, by reforming H1B policies. Second is H1B abuse by large corporations. This is a legit problem -- some IT firms bring in people they shouldn't (sometimes thousands at a time), and this takes up H1B's from talented people who shou…

i don't buy the brain drain issue, sure there are probably some geniuses in the millions of H1B people, but majority are not that much better than the average American worker. So out of those few geniuses, what tiny percentage leaves? They aren't leaving for the sake of leaving, they are leaving to exploit the opportunities in their home countries

Post by swombat » Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 6:55 PM UTC

sachinag wrote: post #14

This is bullshit. Here's actual data: http://www.businessweek.com/table/08/0305_h1b.htm More (I don't know the source, but seems correct): http://www.myvisajobs.com/Top_Visa_Sponsors.aspx Lookit, a lot of the H1-B slots are being taken up by consulting firms. We don't have a shortage of H1-Bs; we just allocate them poorly. That's what we need to fix. As to the (what I consider a minor) founding issue, that's pretty s…

Post by gaius » Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 7:15 PM UTC

ankeshk wrote: post #34

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