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Charles Stross YAPCA keynote: The world in 2034

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Re: Charles Stross YAPCA keynote: The world in 2034

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I must say that I'm almost enjoying more Charlie's blog than Charlie's books :) If you scroll back a bit, there is also a very interesting piece about Scottish independence, with extensive comments: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2014/06/the-scot...

He is very insightful. I read ideas of his that I've never seen explored elsewhere. For instance, last year he had one where he speculated on how many human occupational specialties currently exist, I believe he pegged it at 100,000.

That may seem like interesting trivia without contemplation.

Re: Charles Stross YAPCA keynote: The world in 2034

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"The continuing trend towards fewer people being employed in manufacturing, and greater automation of service jobs, will continue: our current societal model, whereby we work to earn money with which to buy the goods and services we need may not be sustainable in the face of a continuing squeeze on employment. But since when has consistency or coherency or even humanity been a prerequisite of any human civilization i…

I'd guess because Stross tends to be a very pragmatic / utilitarian sci-fi writer.

We suspect its going to be a thing, but nobody really knows what the death of human employment will mean, or if it will really happen. If it does, its probably much more of a black swan than "the internet of things", but as he noted with cars, sometimes things you discount end up revolutionizing the world, and stuff you thought was a killer, because of short range performance, ends up bland in the long run. Its kind of like stocks, everybody wants to buy FB or Google after they change the world, but its a whole nother story to figure that out beforehand.

You can guess that the death of employment for pay will be a huge event, but to say much more you have to start committing toward one of many possible paths beyond your event horizon. Maybe a revolution as robots steal our jobs, maybe boring and mostly like today, maybe endless freedom to create, or kind of pointless (cause we're all VR slaves or some other such thing)). The slope's there, but we can't see over the hill.

Aside: I dig that the later half reads like a love letter for one of my favourite, and one of the more durable languages out there. Almost 30 years and Perl's still quietly chuggin along.

Re: Charles Stross YAPCA keynote: The world in 2034

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I must say that I'm almost enjoying more Charlie's blog than Charlie's books :) If you scroll back a bit, there is also a very interesting piece about Scottish independence, with extensive comments: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2014/06/the-scot...

He is very insightful. I read ideas of his that I've never seen explored elsewhere. For instance, last year he had one where he speculated on how many human occupational specialties currently exist, I believe he pegged it at 100,000. That may seem like interesting trivia without contemplation.

And some of all those important specializations have only a few dozens workers on the whole planet...

iirc, he counted the minimum population for a civilization like ours at 100 million. The implications for space explorations are not good.

But not even Stross had any real opinions on how this will change with advanced 3D-printing.

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What got me was advertising is still the monetisation of the internet / of things. I would assume that because the next major product is going to be data (from pavement slabs !) that it is data that will be monetised - somehow. But I would assume that IP rights become DP - Data Property. And I charge people for use of my data (from my underpants) and they charge me for the analysis of the aggregated data - if we are…

"advertising is still the monetisation of the internet / of things" That works pretty well after only a couple generations of concentration of wealth at the top. In the long run, during the dark ages or during the Roman Empire era, how many highway billboards were there? A glance at images.google.com doesn't show much advertising in Bangladesh, or at least it doesn't look like Vegas does today. It would be wise to co…

I like the idea that advertising represents a healthy society in that there is enough wealth spread about to make ads effective (no point advertising to the destitute)

I was however arguing against using ads to find the internet of things - not sure what will be the business model but ads just do not cut it.

Re: Charles Stross YAPCA keynote: The world in 2034

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Well, it is a Perl conf.

And according to Larry, Perl 6 will be along any day now . And then all you skeptics will be sorry! Sorry I say! Bwahahaha!

Hah. Well, Perl isn't a bad language, it's just past its prime and being outcompeted by other languages. It had a moment where it could have remained relevant but they missed it.

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post #19

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And according to Larry, Perl 6 will be along any day now . And then all you skeptics will be sorry! Sorry I say! Bwahahaha!

Hah. Well, Perl isn't a bad language, it's just past its prime and being outcompeted by other languages. It had a moment where it could have remained relevant but they missed it.

Sigh, here we go again. :-(

Better OO than the competing scripting languages, CPAN still beats any opposition (check CPAN testers), extensible syntax(!) etc.

And... you don't lose a hype war if you didn't really play it.

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Hah. Well, Perl isn't a bad language, it's just past its prime and being outcompeted by other languages. It had a moment where it could have remained relevant but they missed it.

Sigh, here we go again. :-( Better OO than the competing scripting languages, CPAN still beats any opposition (check CPAN testers), extensible syntax(!) etc. And... you don't lose a hype war if you didn't really play it.

All you need is the following if you want to champion Perl.

http://dheeb.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/gbu.pdf

Perl does Unicode right. Look at page #3.

Re: Charles Stross YAPCA keynote: The world in 2034

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post #28

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Sigh, here we go again. :-( Better OO than the competing scripting languages, CPAN still beats any opposition (check CPAN testers), extensible syntax(!) etc. And... you don't lose a hype war if you didn't really play it.

All you need is the following if you want to champion Perl. http://dheeb.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/gbu.pdf Perl does Unicode right. Look at page #3.

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Re: Charles Stross YAPCA keynote: The world in 2034

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post #28

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Sigh, here we go again. :-( Better OO than the competing scripting languages, CPAN still beats any opposition (check CPAN testers), extensible syntax(!) etc. And... you don't lose a hype war if you didn't really play it.

All you need is the following if you want to champion Perl. http://dheeb.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/gbu.pdf Perl does Unicode right. Look at page #3.

I'd settle for new subjects from the trolls, the present ones make tired reddit jokes look good.

Anyway, I thought Guido told 'em to stop, since they're getting a bad reputation?

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