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Supreme court: Aereo is violating copyright law [pdf]

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Re: Supreme court: Aereo is violating copyright law [pdf]

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post #128

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Are you arguing that their current form was invented in America? Because the English crown had patents and copyrights before the USA existed.

In what concerns the rest of the world, it could as well be an all US invention. The UK made nothing to spread it, the US made sure it's more universaly accepted than the Human Rights convention.

Reading your post it almost seems like Berne is an US city.

The Berne Convention was developed at the instigation of Victor Hugo of the Association Littéraire et Artistique Internationale. Thus it was influenced by the French "right of the author" (droit d'auteur) (...) Before the Berne Convention, national copyright laws usually only applied for works created within each country. So for example a work published in United Kingdom by a British national would be covered by copyright there, but could be copied and sold by anyone in France. (...) The Berne Convention followed in the footsteps of the Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property of 1883, which in the same way had created a framework for international integration of the other types of intellectual property: patents, trademarks and industrial designs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention

Re: Supreme court: Aereo is violating copyright law [pdf]

#202

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Hulu - watch any program any time. Aereo - watch what's over the air right now. Hulu - puts ads in the video Aereo - shows the ads that are over the air. Hulu - is like having everything on DVD Aereo - is like having a 50 mile extension cord on my digital antenna. I think the difference is striking.

You missed one: Hulu - pays a fee to creators for use which it recoups/profits from ads Aereo - pays no fee to creator, still profits from ads

>still profits from ads

I must have missed something. How do they profit from ads?

Re: Supreme court: Aereo is violating copyright law [pdf]

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The problem is Aereo is charging for this service that circumvents the system and pays nothing back to redistribute the content. Contrast this with the lesser known, but competing service offered from Syncbak. Syncbak does the same thing as Aereo, but rather than circumventing the existing networks and content providers; those are Syncbak's paying customer base. http://www.syncbak.com/

The advertisers already paid for content to be distributed. The broadcasters aren't even missing out on theoretical revenue cause no subscriber pays for over the air tv. If anything they could increase ad revenue claiming more viewers. I'm missing something... Cause I don't see why broadcasters are against Aero at all. Is it cause cable companies pay broadcasters for content and people think Areo will cut into that?

If Aereo were ruled legal today, the cable companies would figure out tomorrow how to duplicate Aereo's position and avoid paying the broadcasters any fees.

Re: Supreme court: Aereo is violating copyright law [pdf]

#205
The Copyright Act is a federal statute that protects any public performance of a copyrighted work from infringing uses.

Aereo took what were undisputedly public performances of works from broadcasters to the public, intercepted them, and by a feat of what amounted to technological legerdemain turned them into what it argued were no longer public performances but, instead, individualized transmissions from its service to each of its end users as an audience of one.

In this case, the Supreme Court rejected that argument, relying heavily on the idea that it was merely interpreting a statute (the Copyright Act) that had been amended by Congress in 1976 in part to overturn a couple of Supreme Court cases that had interpreted the prior Act to permit cable-TV style transmissions of copyrighted material free of copyright restrictions. The Court held that, in doing so, Congress intended to bring cable-like services such as Aereo into the Act's sweep regardless of the particular technological ways in which it handled the copyrighted material as it re-transmitted it to its users. Treating such technology, in effect, like a black box, the Court emphasized that, regardless of its innards, this service appeared to all concerned - to broadcasters, to viewers, etc. - to be functioning just like a cable service and therefore fell squarely within the Act's coverage as Congress had intended to modify it in making the 1976 amendments.

The most fascinating part of the decision, in my view, was how the Court arrived at this result while simultaneously trying to narrow its impact so that modern technological innovations would not be hit by its shrapnel. The Court not only did so but did so emphatically. Indeed, it devoted an entire section IV (pages 15-17) of its opinion to that issue. "We agree", said the Court, "that Congress, while intending the Transmit Clause to apply broadly to cable companies and their equivalents [i.e., Aereo], did not intend to discourage or control the emergence or use of different kinds of technologies." The Court then goes on to suggest (without deciding) a number of potentially key distinctions by which things such as, e.g., cloud music services might not in any way be infringing, including the prospect of fair use or the fact that the user receiving a transmission from the service may already own the copyrighted works being transmitted. I believe this is a strong signal from the Court that lower courts are not to ham-handedly interpret copyright law to stifle innovation but are to apply it carefully to prevent its abuse.

All in all, this decision represents a guarded upholding of traditional IP protections that prevents the use of technology to enable free-wheeling use of broadcasted materials while at the same time limiting its holding to that narrow sphere. Given the technical wording of the Act, it could just as easily have gone the other way and upheld the Aereo service as nothing more than something that facilitates individual, "private" performances via a streaming technology. But that would certainly have glorified form over substance and, I think, the Court got it right in the end.

Re: Supreme court: Aereo is violating copyright law [pdf]

#206

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Aereo did their system in a way that very carefully conformed to the law Except for it didn't. If it's illegal to do X , but legal to do each of A , B , and C , and A -> B -> C does X , it's not surprising when X is illegal.

What does X represent here?

Rebroadcast.

Re: Supreme court: Aereo is violating copyright law [pdf]

#207
post #97

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Intellectual property law is the pride and joy of our legal system. Really. Patents, Copyright and Trademarks are all American inventions that have spread everywhere in the world. Many Americans think it goes too far, but in the fraternity of lawyers and judges, IP rules.

Romans gave world Civil law, Americans gave world IP law. Sad.

It's not true. IP law existed before the American revolution, and the US in fact initially refused to sign the major worldwide convention on IP law (Berne).

Re: Supreme court: Aereo is violating copyright law [pdf]

#208

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The advertisers already paid for content to be distributed. The broadcasters aren't even missing out on theoretical revenue cause no subscriber pays for over the air tv. If anything they could increase ad revenue claiming more viewers. I'm missing something... Cause I don't see why broadcasters are against Aero at all. Is it cause cable companies pay broadcasters for content and people think Areo will cut into that?

You're missing that broadcasters transmit to a select geographical location, so they can still sell the transmission to cable and satellite networks. By making it cheaper to watch those channels outside of the areas covered by OTA broadcasts, they're making it easier for current cable subscribers to "cut the cord".

Aereo makes new users sign up with a credit card linked to a zip code within the OTA broadcast range of the metros that they operate in. The users then get the channels that are available in that area. See https://www.aereo.com/channels

Theoretically Aereo makes it more expensive to watch these channels(but easier and more reliable) than a one time purchase of your own antenna.

Re: Supreme court: Aereo is violating copyright law [pdf]

#209

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I think this is key "To redistribute this content to users". The redistribution is not that far from what's currently OK right now, though. Is it illegal (right now) for one to record (using an antenna) on to a TIVO and then to watch said recording over the internet for yourself? There is 1 antenna per user. There is 1 recording per user (Aereo is not recording a single instance of desperate housewives and then muxin…

The difference is obvious: when you're home recording, you're doing it for yourself, while Aereo is doing it for others. The fact that it's using 1 antenna/recording per user is an irrelevant technical detail.

When "I" am home recording, I am actually using the capabilities of a black box technological device purchased from a 3rd party. Are VCRs illegal now?

Re: Supreme court: Aereo is violating copyright law [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The advertisers already paid for content to be distributed. The broadcasters aren't even missing out on theoretical revenue cause no subscriber pays for over the air tv. If anything they could increase ad revenue claiming more viewers. I'm missing something... Cause I don't see why broadcasters are against Aero at all. Is it cause cable companies pay broadcasters for content and people think Areo will cut into that?

If Aereo were ruled legal today, the cable companies would figure out tomorrow how to duplicate Aereo's position and avoid paying the broadcasters any fees.

Ok. I don't see a problem with that. I do have a problem with the legal system being used to prop up industry(s) that are otherwise no longer viable.

I don't know enough about this specific case to judge. But, by in large that is what copyright law has been used to do for last 20+years.

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