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Re: Paint.Net 4.0 is now available

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Post by Igglyboo »

dhamidi wrote: post #132
cpfohl wrote: post #92

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Oh yes. Users who don't know how to crop a photo w/out Photoshop are totally using a Package Manager and the command line to install stuff. Chocolatey is great, but unfortunately package managers don't work for every piece of software on every OS. Period.

How are app stores (something which users are used to already) different from package managers with a user-friendly GUI?

The only thing I can think of is that they don't really install OS level stuff, think software libraries or runtimes etc.

Other than that they're literally identical to something like synaptic.

Re: Paint.Net 4.0 is now available

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Post by [deleted] »

soneca wrote: post #140
1stop wrote: post #129

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Actually RGB is better for professional printing. Printers typically have specific colour profiles for their printers and converting your CMYK profile to their CMYK profile will usually result in differences you weren't expecting. RGB -> CMYK (@ the printer) will be closer to what you expect (what you saw on screen).

I didn't know that, thanks! I said that because I use an online printing service, and everytime I send a PDF they demand it is in CMYK. As they look very professional in everything else and the quality of the final product is great, I just assumed it was a best practice. Good to know.

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Re: Paint.Net 4.0 is now available

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Post by hereonbusiness »

ionforce wrote: post #126
hereonbusiness wrote: post #86

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I agree the GIMP developers are missing out on a big opportunity by not making their UI look/behave more like the commercial products people are used to. But on the other side there are a lot of people used to the current GIMP UI as well. Good thing there are projects like Gimpshop (though I havent' tried it yet), GIMP is a open source project so I don't see why we wouldn't have multiple UI's just like there are for…

Every time image editing comes up on forums, so does mentions of GIMP. To me, there seems to be no shortage of "GIMP has UX problems" claims. So what gives? Do they not believe that this is a legitimate problem hurting their adoption? Or do they not care about adoptions? Somehow it's not a priority? Or their execution is severely lacking.

I'm not in any way affiliated with GIMP or even a graphics professional but as a programmer I think part of it is ideological (GIMP is not a copy of photoshop, why would we spend a lot of resources to change something that works for us and copy adobe for example just to appeal to users who don't want to learn to use a new UI or workflow) and part of may be just because they are more or less happy with it, they have a steady user base (at least it seems that way guessing by the mentioning of GIMP on forums as you say), also it's not like they (programmers/community) are going to get rich off of it so there might be no profit motive in revamping the whole thing.

I think the project just needs some fresh blood, either a fork that strives for a (better) more familiar UX for people that are switching from commercial products or an easy way to decouple the UI from the core and build custom front ends. There's no point in re-developing all the functionality that's already in GIMP, it's a functional product with years of development behind it.

Re: Paint.Net 4.0 is now available

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Post by matwood »

vanderZwan wrote: post #41
XorNot wrote: post #11

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GIMP is too complex (and too slow to startup) for simple image editing tasks. None of the substitute photo viewer type apps on Linux really seem to stand in particularly well either - I like Shotwell at the moment, but it still lacks an easy to use crop/copy/paste workflow.

Are you aware of Darktable? I think it's a great Adobe Lightroom replacement, even has some features the latter is missing I believe. http://www.darktable.org/

Wow, this looks awesome! I own and use Lightroom now, but will give Dark Table a look.

Re: Paint.Net 4.0 is now available

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Post by majornoob »

knocte wrote: post #110
teh_klev wrote: post #79

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There's some history there. Basically a scammer was passing it off as a paid app [1]. See also [2]: "Excluding the installer, text, and graphics, Paint.NET was released under a modified version of the MIT License.[6] It was initially released as completely open source, but due to breaches of license, all resource files (such as interface text and icons) were released under a Creative Commons license forbidding modifi…

All opensource software is subject to scammers like this, so I think the Paint.NET author overreacted.

If the author see no obvious benefits with keeping it open source but sees downsides I don't see why it would be an over reaction. I did exactly the sane thing as he a few years ago. I've since opened sourced it again since people were wanting to contribute.

Re: Paint.Net 4.0 is now available

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Post by woadwarrior01 »

sixothree wrote: post #138
snarfy wrote: post #123

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Sadly, this reminds me of the joke: http://www.memecenter.com/fun/1114268/my-gift-to-winrar-if-i...

I wouldn't donate to winrar. The original author died years ago and the program hasn't made any advances since.

I think you're talking about Phil Katz the author of PKZIP and the creator of the zip format. AFAIK, Eugene Roshal, the author of WinRar is still alive and kicking.

Re: Paint.Net 4.0 is now available

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Post by phloxicon »

Grue3 wrote: post #136
Nate630 wrote: post #101

It is impressive that Paint.NET keeps on releasing updated software for free.

Just like every other freeware ever? How is this impressive? Emacs has been releasing updates for almost 30 years!

Just because others do it, it doesn't mean it's not impressive.

Re: Paint.Net 4.0 is now available

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Post by bane »

omnibrain wrote: post #22

My GF is a teacher who did some graphics design and typesetting part-time during her time at the university. She used the Adobe products of course. When teaching at a school for the first time, and doing image manipulation with the pupils, she had to use Gimp because it is free and because of that the "oficially recommended" program. She had real trouble adjust to the GUI and teaching it to her pupils and at the same…

I've been using GIMP for years and if I don't use it for a couple weeks still have to look up in the help where the crop tool is. The GUI is pretty rough to use.

Re: Paint.Net 4.0 is now available

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Post by _ea1k »

Igglyboo wrote: post #141
dhamidi wrote: post #132

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How are app stores (something which users are used to already) different from package managers with a user-friendly GUI?

The only thing I can think of is that they don't really install OS level stuff, think software libraries or runtimes etc. Other than that they're literally identical to something like synaptic.

On Android they sometimes do install OS level stuff (libraries, etc). I think he has a good point.

The biggest difference I see is that package managers on most Linux distributions are designed to be extensible to support other sources. Application stores generally are not.

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