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Pretty sure that's what I said. Is that supposed to absolve them?

Well, yes. Before they bought it up, Rockstar was a menace to everybody . Even before Rockstar, Nortel was calling firms up for licenses, and everyone knew what was coming when the patents went on the auction block. By making the winning bid, MS, Apple et al successfully managed to reduce their own liability. Now, in a fair competition, that should give them an advantage over others who failed to manage their risks.…

> effectively footing the bill for the rest of the industry

Well, they (at least many of them -- e.g. Microsoft, Apple, etc) also 'play the game' with their own patents, so it's not out of character for them to use patents offensively. By using their patents offensively, they are contributing to the situation where they are required to 'foot the bill' with their own liabilities, at least. If they adopted a less aggressive stance, and instead put the money they've spent on lawyers towards lobbying for patent reform, what they 'need' to do to limit their liability might be really different.

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You don't. Patents are selectively published according to national security criteria.

Nice distinction between 'reason' and 'rationale'.

Always be wary of a precise thing as explanation for stuff existing in the real world, doubly so if the stuff predates the thing.

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Not just battery technology, but also successfully pushing the electrification of transport against the entire car industry. Even if batteries would suddenly stop improving and remain forever on today's level, switching all cars to Model S equivalents would still have, in my opinion, tremendous impact on both climate change and upcoming fuel crisis.

Big science corporations have a lot of money to make off global warming. scientists are behind almost all the studies in global warming. so of course they are biased. not to mention even if it does exist it's only like 1 degree. I doubt my grandchildren will notice a 1 degree difference. i live in the Midwest. there was snow storms all winter. I wouldn't mind it being a little warmer. I don't think god would let that…

Please use emoticons / sarcasm tags per Poe's law [0]. For a moment I thought you're being serious here ;).

[0] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

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>This is the precise thing that patents are designed to prevent: to keep the market from turning into a race to see who can outsource most efficiently to China and inundate the public most completely with advertising. I have absolutely no idea how you possibly came to this conclusion.

When you make it easy to copy innovative designs, companies can really only compete on lower manufacturing costs and more advertising.[1] That's why engineering firms pushed for stronger IP protections through the WTO in the 1990's: Chinese and Korean companies were copying the designs of Cisco, etc, and undercutting them on prices because they didn't have any R&D expenses. [1] At least when you're talking about phys…

The cisco story was about huawei pirating their software. That's copyright infringement, not patent abuse.

Copyright protection is all you need in the software space to differentiate from your competitors, because in software development the execution is a lot more important than the idea. Well executed versions of old ideas can blow away the competition. See e.g. the iphone, which did less than earlier smartphones, but did it much better. Note also that it wasn't the patents that prevented competitors from catching up, because they ended up ignoring them anyway and still took half a decade to make a competing product despite having access to the same hardware from the beginning.

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I love Elon's PR. He reframes himself as a champion of humanity, above ego competition, to make you feel good (and I do!). He simultaneously criticises the competition, in those terms. And I also agree he was right to fear the better-resourced incumbents to duplicate his tech for free, unfounded though it was. He doesn't mention this, but at this point, he is also well ahead of his real competition (fellow disruptors…

It's weird, I always get downvoted on HN for saying I love Elon, and analysing what he's doing. Something similar used to happen with Apple posts.

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I love Elon's PR. He reframes himself as a champion of humanity, above ego competition, to make you feel good (and I do!). He simultaneously criticises the competition, in those terms. And I also agree he was right to fear the better-resourced incumbents to duplicate his tech for free, unfounded though it was. He doesn't mention this, but at this point, he is also well ahead of his real competition (fellow disruptors…

It's weird, I always get downvoted on HN for saying I love Elon, and analysing what he's doing. Something similar used to happen with Apple posts.

See what I mean?

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If you want to track the death of the cultural vision of Silicon Valley -- the belief that some people, at least, can rise above petty human squabbling and competition and are legitimately working to better humanity -- look no further than this thread. Every top comment is a skeptical one. "This is clearly a great PR move, but has no teeth." "How do you enforce this guarantee?" Etc. These are reasonable questions, bu…

"The end product he's producing will save humanity."

If that could only be true. Even with the most noble intent, unfortunately it's all the producing (of everything) that is destroying us. We can't produce our way out of this, anymore than I can drink my way out of alcoholism.

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