WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly • Hacker News Board

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by Excavator » Tue, Jun 24, 2014, 8:47 PM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #89

simonsarris wrote: post #54

This is fantastic and I'm really glad it's being bundled with Firefox and not as a separate download. As I've said elsewhere, a lot of kids still assume that programming is essentially "magic" done by professionals and they implicitly assume there is no way to getting started at their education level (This is especially true if their parents are non-technical, as mine were). All the resources in the world may exist,…

This is a good point. I was in the same position as you as a kid. I was interested in computers, but I didn't know anyone that could teach me much about them. I assumed in college they would teach you all the secrets, I had no idea that all the tools I needed were available online. With this IDE, the barrier is super low, if Mozilla decided to market it that way.

The Webmaker project is sorta related to that.

https://webmaker.org/

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by vlunkr » Tue, Jun 24, 2014, 9:40 PM UTC

Excavator wrote: post #151

vlunkr wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good point. I was in the same position as you as a kid. I was interested in computers, but I didn't know anyone that could teach me much about them. I assumed in college they would teach you all the secrets, I had no idea that all the tools I needed were available online. With this IDE, the barrier is super low, if Mozilla decided to market it that way.

The Webmaker project is sorta related to that. https://webmaker.org/

I've never seen that before, it's pretty neat. The X-ray goggles are fun, and jumping from there to building your own page wouldn't be so bad

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by marcosdumay » Tue, Jun 24, 2014, 11:55 PM UTC

blueicelt2004 wrote: post #87

smacktoward wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never underestimate the ability of managers to be penny wise and pound foolish.

...or the inability of developers to properly demonstrate to their managers why something is needed. simply saying it makes it easier is not enough, learn to sell and spin in a way that does not make you seem lazy and you will be surprised what you can convince people to do.

That's true. But managing a company is still the managers task, not developers. It doe not excuse them.

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by tbe » Thu, Jun 26, 2014, 5:23 PM UTC

zimbatm wrote: post #146

akx wrote: post #98

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> Putting an IDE inside the browser, having no other dependencies between viewing web-pages and making web-pages is an incredible first step. I... um, it's a first step we took 17 years ago, didn't we? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Composer

http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ is not as old (1996) but is also pretty cool. I wish they had more funding to explore that idea that the web should be editable (as long as you have the authorization to PUT).

The very first web browser had editing built in. That's why HTTP has the concept of verbs in the first place! Otherwise GET would probably be implicit. Forms and POST came later, but PUT and DELETE was part of the original idea behind the web.

I totally agree that browsers should allow editing. Even if you are not authorized to PUT the page back to the server, it would still be useful to be able to edit before you print or save the page locally.

I really have no idea why we were robbed of this capability! It was probably just laziness from the people who wrote mainstream browser and httpd implementations.