Federal judge rules U.S. no-fly list violates Constitution
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Re: Federal judge rules U.S. no-fly list violates Constitution
#2>> individuals listed under the policy may ultimately petition a U.S. appeals court directly for relief
Why isn't it the other way around? Shouldn't they have to prove to a judge that there is reasonable suspicion you are or have been engaged in terrorism before they can interfere in your affairs?
Re: Federal judge rules U.S. no-fly list violates Constitution
#3Now if only we'd get a similar ruling for no-warrant "border" searches, where border can mean tens of miles from the actual border.
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#4About time.
There's no human being on Earth so dangerous they can't be safely put on an airplane.
Re: Federal judge rules U.S. no-fly list violates Constitution
#5>> individuals listed under the policy may ultimately petition a U.S. appeals court directly for relief Why isn't it the other way around? Shouldn't they have to prove to a judge that there is reasonable suspicion you are or have been engaged in terrorism before they can interfere in your affairs?
Guilty until proven innocent.
Re: Federal judge rules U.S. no-fly list violates Constitution
#6"The 13 plaintiffs - four of them veterans of the U.S. military - deny they have links to terrorism and say they only learned of their no-fly status when they arrived at an airport and were blocked from boarding a flight."
This truly fits the definition of a Kafkaesque system -- you are put on a list and you are denied justice and never told what your crime is.
Great work by the ACLU.
Re: Federal judge rules U.S. no-fly list violates Constitution
#7This seems like the right decision to me. Being blocked from air travel is indeed a violation of liberty.
I think the U.S. government has a right to keep a list of suspicious persons, watch and monitor them, block them from visiting the United States, but there should be a way to appeal your inclusion on that list especially if you are a U.S. legal resident or citizen. You can't just remain on that list forever, unable to travel, with no evidence or justifiable proof of criminal association with terrorists. That's limbo.
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#8At a minimum challenging these systems is a good thing. Most were put into place with zero debate, no serious judicial challenges, and zero input from the general public (whom they have the greatest impact on).
Whether or not the no-fly list can really be stopped through a normal judicial means at this point, I think that's up for debate given how far the US Government has gone past concerning itself for the rule of law.
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#9The ruling only applies to U.S. citizens. As mentioned in the article, the vast majority of people on the list are non-citizens.
EDIT: Or perhaps it does apply to non-citizens when they are on U.S. soil. I'm not sure.
Re: Federal judge rules U.S. no-fly list violates Constitution
#10This seems like the right decision to me. Being blocked from air travel is indeed a violation of liberty. I think the U.S. government has a right to keep a list of suspicious persons, watch and monitor them, block them from visiting the United States, but there should be a way to appeal your inclusion on that list especially if you are a U.S. legal resident or citizen. You can't just remain on that list forever, unab…
Does this ruling imply some sort of "right to travel"?