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FAA bans the use of drones to deliver packages

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Re: FAA bans the use of drones to deliver packages

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post #4

Drones are really annoyingly loud. This isn't a bad thing at all.

How quickly do you think they will get quieter?

Quick: http://www.wired.com/2012/07/owl/

That article is from almost two years ago. Use ducted fans, find ways to generate more lift at slower prop speeds.

Re: FAA bans the use of drones to deliver packages

#12
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot argue the noise aspect, but I do thing not allowing experiments in drone delivery a bad thing . I strongly suspect that self-driving cars are on the horizon. With that presumption, I suspect self-flying cars would not be far off and that the technology that would drive that would come from parcel delivering drones.

For experimentation the FAA has set up a program called UAS test sites: http://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsid=15... and http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/ No problem with testing, but it must be done step by step.

yes, but would the motivation and money for testing not be more available if there was an allowable marketplace*

* note - I didn't read your links completely.

Re: FAA bans the use of drones to deliver packages

#13

FAA has never allowed the use of drones to deliver packages. The right headline would be "The FAA does still not allow use of drones to deliver packages."

The FAA has never been asked about it before, and the law of the land is "That which is not forbidden is legal." If there's no law against it, it's allowed. In this regard, it makes the statement that they are now banning it more true than they are still banning it, because they have never expressly disallowed it in the past (to my knowledge -- if incorrect, probably renders my point moot).

Class E Airspace, that which is between the surface and 2500 feet, is unregulated for the most part (except near a commercial airport, and other such caveats). I don't know the ceiling on the drones in question, or what altitudes they intended to operate within, but if within Class E, this definitely falls under the scope of a 'new' regulation.

Re: FAA bans the use of drones to deliver packages

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post #13

FAA has never allowed the use of drones to deliver packages. The right headline would be "The FAA does still not allow use of drones to deliver packages."

The FAA has never been asked about it before, and the law of the land is "That which is not forbidden is legal." If there's no law against it, it's allowed. In this regard, it makes the statement that they are now banning it more true than they are still banning it, because they have never expressly disallowed it in the past (to my knowledge -- if incorrect, probably renders my point moot). Class E Airspace, that whi…

According to the FAA, they clarified this in 2007. No flying a UAS for commercial purposes, only one case has ever been approved.

http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=76240

Re: FAA bans the use of drones to deliver packages

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post #13

FAA has never allowed the use of drones to deliver packages. The right headline would be "The FAA does still not allow use of drones to deliver packages."

The FAA has never been asked about it before, and the law of the land is "That which is not forbidden is legal." If there's no law against it, it's allowed. In this regard, it makes the statement that they are now banning it more true than they are still banning it, because they have never expressly disallowed it in the past (to my knowledge -- if incorrect, probably renders my point moot). Class E Airspace, that whi…

Nope!

http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraf...

UASes fall under the guise of "model aircraft" when operated as a hobby, but as soon as they're operated commercially, they're in their own, specifically defined class of aircraft, as clarified in 2007 (and linked in this comment's sibling).

That's why quadcopter video operators often employ humorous (and probably not legally workable) workarounds to sell footage into commercial projects - for example, flying "as a hobby" and then later selling "found footage" back to production companies, or renting some related-but-not-flying piece of hardware like memory cards to the production company at an exorbitant rate (which is really the cost of flying the drone).

EDIT: Oh, and 'baddox above reminded me that there's question as to whether any of the FAA's regulations about what is and isn't a model aircraft are enforceable, since they seemed to do an about-face about what counts as a model aircraft as soon as UAVs came onto the scene.

One court and most observers said no, the FAA can't suddenly decide some things are model aircraft and some aren't based on whether or not they're used commercially ( http://www.dronejournalismlab.org/post/78814729933/judge-rej... ), but the FAA appealed and based on my understanding their appeal means the ruling isn't in effect.

Re: FAA bans the use of drones to deliver packages

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FAA has never been asked about it before, and the law of the land is "That which is not forbidden is legal." If there's no law against it, it's allowed. In this regard, it makes the statement that they are now banning it more true than they are still banning it, because they have never expressly disallowed it in the past (to my knowledge -- if incorrect, probably renders my point moot). Class E Airspace, that whi…

According to the FAA, they clarified this in 2007. No flying a UAS for commercial purposes, only one case has ever been approved. http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=76240

Oops. Thanks for the clarification. That explains the yo-yo voting patterns I'm seeing on my post, I suppose.

Re: FAA bans the use of drones to deliver packages

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post #4

Drones are really annoyingly loud. This isn't a bad thing at all.

Also motorcycles, airplanes, some cars and quite many people.

And motorcycles with defective mufflers should be banned.

Airplanes are already heavily restricted in where they can fly.

Re: FAA bans the use of drones to deliver packages

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FAA has never allowed the use of drones to deliver packages. The right headline would be "The FAA does still not allow use of drones to deliver packages."

The FAA has no physical ability, and currently no legal authority, to allow or disallow the use of drones to deliver packages. This document is a set of rules that the FAA would like to carry legal weight, but which currently do not.
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