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A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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post #5

That's incredible. What's the incidence of things like this in the rest of the world?

In Western Europe and much of Asia, almost nil (countries like South Korea, Japan ...) In many countries, I'm afraid it's quite common, abuse of police power is nothing strange here. I've had it happen to me.

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

#12
post #2

This is truly awful. The sheer lack of restraint involved in this raid is sickening. :/

I'm not normally a fan of litigation, but in this case they should sue the police department into the ground. If this behaviour was way too expensive to sustain because of liabilities, they'd have to curtail it. Complaints are something they just ignore. Settlements hurt . If this was some national security incident where the nephew was about to activate a nuclear weapon this sort of force might be justified. That it…

Sadly this doesn't seem to work. There is little to no correlation between settlements and the divisions within an organization that they are supposed to punish, especially for large jurisdictions.

Atlanta, small for a "big" city and with a terribly low budget relative to its size set its 2014 budget at 550M. A few million dollar wrongful death/abuse settlements each year don't even get noticed.

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

#13
post #5

That's incredible. What's the incidence of things like this in the rest of the world?

In Western Europe and much of Asia, almost nil (countries like South Korea, Japan ...) In many countries, I'm afraid it's quite common, abuse of police power is nothing strange here. I've had it happen to me.

Where are you located?

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

#14
Not to be disrespectful to the family but the only thing that comes to mind is " 'Murica". I know a person here in Canada that was a victim of swat drug bust it was in no way as violent. They came during the day and, yes manhandled the suspects however they were quite polite about it.

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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post #2

This is truly awful. The sheer lack of restraint involved in this raid is sickening. :/

I'm not normally a fan of litigation, but in this case they should sue the police department into the ground. If this behaviour was way too expensive to sustain because of liabilities, they'd have to curtail it. Complaints are something they just ignore. Settlements hurt . If this was some national security incident where the nephew was about to activate a nuclear weapon this sort of force might be justified. That it…

It doesn't, but the war on drugs is profitable for certain stakeholders and lobbyists

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

#16
This is a side-effect of police militarization that doesn't get much attention from its critics: using advanced military equipment should also require advanced military training. Local police agencies that receive all this new military-spec equipment don't always get (or more likely, never get) the funding for necessary training on how to use it. Much less does such training really exist since this stuff was all designed for use in actual war zones. The extant training materials would inherently be oriented around that type of usage.

Even the worst part of the worst city in the USA could not be more different than a war-stricken area of Iraq or any other region where military action is a common occurrence (other than that they probably contain more friendlies than enemies).

Aside: It is truly sickening that they used a flashbang on a residential house where they hoped to apprehend a single, low-value suspect that could not possibly have been that well armed. Again, lack of proper training.

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

#17
post #2

This is truly awful. The sheer lack of restraint involved in this raid is sickening. :/

I'm not normally a fan of litigation, but in this case they should sue the police department into the ground. If this behaviour was way too expensive to sustain because of liabilities, they'd have to curtail it. Complaints are something they just ignore. Settlements hurt . If this was some national security incident where the nephew was about to activate a nuclear weapon this sort of force might be justified. That it…

> That it was for drugs is the most disturbing part. How does that help anyone in any capacity?

It helps police departments keep their budgets and continues their access to militarization programs (where the DoD gives them surplus equipment after combat operations).

There is no excuse whatsoever for what happened.

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

#18
post #10

These stories seem fake to me. I know they are real but I have trouble believing that people, human beings would actually act like this. Why do we have people acting as police that wouldn't let a mother comfort her crying, very injured child. They weren't after her, she wasn't the criminal.

The way the psychology works is that police regard everyone as a potential threat and a criminal, which makes them essentially not human in their eyes. When dealing in a "tactical phase" or whatever the hell they call it, they take command of a situation and have a very paranoid view of everything.

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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I'm struggling to understand how any of the officers on the SWAT team - or, for that matter, those who formulated the policies to use tools like M-16s and flash grenades in drug raids - could possibly consider their actions to be less serious than someone taking or dealing in drugs.
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