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Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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What this says to me as a developer in the Microsoft ecosystem (admittedly, enterprise side and not mobile): "Four years ago we had you writing all your apps using Silverlight. Two years ago we chucked that out the window (ahahahaha) and told you to switch over to WinRT. Now we're going Android. We hope you've got the message by now. But in case you haven't, let us restate it in plain English: Dear developers, GO THE…

I think the real message is: "Hey, we're a company. We have things. That doesn't mean users use our things, or that developing for said things is going make you money or a userbase. That requires looking at the market and seeing where users are." They create the supply side. If there is no demand, blindly working in their tools is just a silly mistake. I think it has been plainly demonstrated nothing Windows Phone of…

In part, that's because of the poor app ecosystem. I've been very interested in Windows Phone as a mobile platform, but there's just too much stuff I've come to rely on my phone for that a Windows Phone doesn't do because there aren't any apps.

And part of the reason for the poor app ecosystem is that they've actively discouraged developers from developing for their platform. Heck, there's a huge number Android and iOS apps that are written in C# using Xamarin, and are therefore theoretically very easy to port to Windows Phone, but haven't for reasons as basic as the developers not wanting to upgrade to Windows 8.

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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What this says to me as a developer in the Microsoft ecosystem (admittedly, enterprise side and not mobile): "Four years ago we had you writing all your apps using Silverlight. Two years ago we chucked that out the window (ahahahaha) and told you to switch over to WinRT. Now we're going Android. We hope you've got the message by now. But in case you haven't, let us restate it in plain English: Dear developers, GO THE…

If anything Google and Apple have contracted this disease too. If you're an Android dev you constantly have the Chrome group telling you to use web technologies instead of developing native apps, it's utterly incoherent. Apple aren't quite so bad, but they only get away with things like the iOS 7 UI change because so many of the people in that ecosystem are (I'm not knocking this) obsessed with stylistic consistency…

Apple get away with for several reasons. People being "obsessed with stylistic consistency" is way down the list. Much higher is the fact that free updates are available to all users of recent products.

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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The interesting news are the implications of Microsoft distributing the Linux (and the Android) kernel under the terms of the GPLv2. What happens to their patent portfolio they allege Linux infringes on?

Unfortunatey they created a subsidiary called Microsoft Mobile that sells the phones. The subsidiary does not own the patents, so no patents gets licensed. Qualcomm uses the same loophole.

well they didn't create it so much as buy Nokia D&S and rename it.

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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It doesn't say that to me. It says: "Nokia baggage". That is all. Either way, I'm not writing another damn mobile app or picking up another damn smartphone again. It's all totally crazy bananas now. I'd rather write win32 again with a broken-ass compiler.

Make your fantasy a (simulated) reality. With current trends you'd probably be best served by creating "win32js".

"It's like WINE, but it runs in your browser and at a whole 1/10 native speed!"

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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> I doubt they are burying it, I rather assume they are just going to continue with it I'd love to agree but still it hurts ,when one looks at the specs,dont you think?and if that phone is really successfull, what's next? this phone obviously cant run Windows Phone apps,so why did I get all these IDEs and Sdks on windows to produce apps for Windows Phone? I'd like MS to make it clear what is the strategy here.

I'm pretty sure this is the remains of a Nokia strategy of not getting too deep into Microsoft. The release of X2 should probably be viewed in a similar light as the release of the N9, which was a platform that basically got axed on release by Nokia, because of Elop wanting to change direction to Windows as the main platform. But that decision came too late to halt the release of the N9, just like the finalization of…

Oh god the N9 was a glorious phone...sigh...

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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post #15

Microsoft releases a phone running Android, Microsoft releases hardware running Linux, pigs are flying and hell is freezing over etc etc. The real news is that this is not just an Android phone, it's a really good Android phone. It has a front facing camera, a decent SoC, enough RAM, what appears to be an IPS display (according to some sources), likely very decent build quality, and a price that is likely to dip belo…

This is not at all a "really good Android phone". It's a great phone for its price but it comes nowhere near high end Android phones. It's largely equivalent to a Motorola Moto E (in price and specs)[1]. Ultra cheap Android phones for developing markets is a new class of phone and cheap but relatively powerful SoC like the Qualcomm 200 (used by both) are new as well so there isn't much competition here yet.

It's a good phone when you consider the price but let's not exaggerate the fact that its killer feature is its price, not its specs.

1. http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6323&idPhone2=...

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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Hmm, just wondering. Why do you think windows phone is better than android? Android is easy to hack about with, custom roms, the source is open and out there (most of it anyway)and generally has great usibility.

Usability. I strongly disagree that Android has much of that, and I suspect that a great many Android users simply don't know any better. Windows Phone really is that much better. Rant: My first smartphone was a Lumia, and then when it broke i went to a Sony Xperia (with a rather clean Android 4.3 on it). I never even realized how well-designed WP was until I went to Android. Examples: - Operation. Nearly all of WP i…

> and I suspect that a great many Android users simply don't know any better

> You only need customization if what you start with sucks.

Those two things make hard taking all of your other points seriously.

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't say that to me. It says: "Nokia baggage". That is all. Either way, I'm not writing another damn mobile app or picking up another damn smartphone again. It's all totally crazy bananas now. I'd rather write win32 again with a broken-ass compiler.

Make your fantasy a (simulated) reality. With current trends you'd probably be best served by creating "win32js".

That's actually pretty funny!

I'm with Bob Pease at the moment: "My favourite programming language is solder".

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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post #74
post #15

Microsoft releases a phone running Android, Microsoft releases hardware running Linux, pigs are flying and hell is freezing over etc etc. The real news is that this is not just an Android phone, it's a really good Android phone. It has a front facing camera, a decent SoC, enough RAM, what appears to be an IPS display (according to some sources), likely very decent build quality, and a price that is likely to dip belo…

The interesting news are the implications of Microsoft distributing the Linux (and the Android) kernel under the terms of the GPLv2. What happens to their patent portfolio they allege Linux infringes on?

I thought that GPLv2 didn't include a patent license. I thought that was much of the reason for GPLv3 which Linux hasn't adopted.

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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For $115 you can have a Dogee Valencia DG800, which runs circles around this crippled MSNokiAndroid phone:

http://www.doogeemobile.com/doogee-dg800-smartphone-android-...

I'm still wondering where Microsoft is going with this. I really don't see this working very well without the benefit of the Play Store

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