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I Can’t Afford a Bachelor’s Degree, So I’m Making My Own

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Re: I Can’t Afford a Bachelor’s Degree, So I’m Making My Own

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post #42

A new form accreditation is really what's holding back a huge change in higher education. MOOCs right now, at most, can replace only traditional professional development classes. They're still not a drop-in replacement for college degrees. That's because of accreditation. Bachelors degrees are valuable, in large part, because they're a common currency: employers know when they see a potential hire has bachelor's degr…

> "so it's really hard to get a serious job in, say, software development, with just a few Coursera courses on your resumé" Well this is not a general solution, but for Coursera's Probabilistic Graphical Models, I remember someone in the course discussion board said that this was such a demanding course that he would hire anybody, who passed the course with good points, to his company.

"so it's really hard to get a serious job in, say, software development, with just a few Coursera courses on your resumé"

I think most wise recruiters will look for evidence of being smart, of getting stuff done, and of being a good fit.

Unless you're in research, serious jobs are project based, not learning based.

If you spend three years learning all you can about CS and making an Awesome Cool Thing, I don't think many employers are going to think 'Meh.'

The situation in the UK is that degrees are getting more and more expensive and less and less valuable. It's making more sense now to go straight into work, even at intern level, than to lose three years and rack up tens of thousands in debt for no obvious benefit.

If the teaching and learning were truly worth the cash, it would be no contest. But outside the Big Name universities, they really aren't. And even there, a big part of the benefit comes the networking opportunities.

In middle league universities you don't get the networking, or the teaching, or the experience, or the industry connections. So what are you paying for?

Re: I Can’t Afford a Bachelor’s Degree, So I’m Making My Own

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post #61

1. Apprentice in a good trade and you can earn more than the average professor. Seriously, my plumber makes more than than the prof who taught me quantum physics. 2. If you're at all cut out for college, you can get scholarships. 3. Even if you're not brilliant and just persistent, you can get loans. University administrators and their associated bureaucracy have been expanding for quite some time now. It's actually…

I agree that higher education administrative costs have gotten higher since the 90's, BUT (and that's a big but), as far as your $20 goes, there's a reason you've been rung through the ringer. The institution didn't do that to assert dominance over you. They did it to be in compliance with the law and audit requirements. No one wants to track down $20. They have to because of rules imposed on them from outside forces.

Institutions who receive public dollars are audited at least yearly to ensure compliance with state/provincial requirements, and somewhere around every 5 years on federal statute. These audits include ensuring checks and balances on money paid out to staff/students for any reason, including travel and conference costs (fun fact, many federal programs have travel costs that are based on staff pay, thereby limiting the amount of 'excess' spending the programs can do on travel. . . .because everyone knows we attend conferences in Michigan for fun. . . ).

Anyway, it may seem like a small deal to you that you lost the receipt for $20, and in the grand scheme of life, it is. BUT, in the direct application of audit completion and legislative compliance, that $20 is the first step to lawsuits, persecution and public shaming of the University when it turns out that every employee was allowed to slip $20 past the business office. Controls are controls on everyone, they are impartial and they apply across the board; the same rules apply to the lowly grad. ass. as they do to the provost and president.

Is it senseless to have that much work and that many hours spent on on $20? Yes. Is it senseless to have that much work and that many hours spent to ensure that tax dollars are spent reasonably and within the bounds of the law?

No.

Source: I am part of those 'sickening' higher education administrative costs, and I have personal experience consulting for federal audit compliance at public colleges in the states.

Re: I Can’t Afford a Bachelor’s Degree, So I’m Making My Own

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does your lack of sympathy to that point matter terribly?

Not at all, especially when the click-through link asking for Professors says: "Work from anywhere. Online or in person - the choice is yours." This seems like the beginnings of something great. I'm very curious to see how it shapes up.

This seems like the beginnings of something essential.

The current system is hopelessly broken and corrupt. It's not serving most students, it's not serving most teachers, and it's not even serving most employers.

It mostly seems to be serving bean counters, bureaucrats, and property speculators, who are all making out like bandits.

A serious disruption is inevitable.

Re: I Can’t Afford a Bachelor’s Degree, So I’m Making My Own

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that it is their first degree, I made the possible inaccurate assumption that this person was just getting out of the US equivalent of high school. My thoughts at that age were pretty jumbled too. Many of my peers didn't really have any idea why they were in college until maybe their third year. It wasn't until they had the benefit of having gone through such a program and looked back on it to appreciate…

>My response is that graduating from college is the first thing you can do where it's reasonably hard, takes a multi-year effort, and is completely optional That's not entirely true - taking a job also falls into that category. Not saying that college isn't a valid choice, but 3 years of work at the same point can be an equally valid choice.

Not nearly as valid. Generally, people have to have a job in order to survive.

Re: I Can’t Afford a Bachelor’s Degree, So I’m Making My Own

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post #60

This blog post seems like a jumble of ideas that are neither consistent or connected. It starts with colleges should be more than job training centers, then ends with trying to create an accreditation process to prove value to external entities (of which I assume employers are a big part?). It mentions the high cost of education, then describes how his current options are lacking because the number of classes in each…

> there are simply many other market forces (... a good football team ...) Not being an American, may I just take a slight space to admit that Mind == Blown

So this is your first encounter with the pretty crazy association between education and sports in the US?

Re: I Can’t Afford a Bachelor’s Degree, So I’m Making My Own

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Personally, I think this idea is awesome. My off the top of my head suggestion would be to open source the requirements for accrediting a specific course. For example, it's determined that students from the "Intro to Calculus for Programmers" course need to meet certain qualifications to pass. If they finish the course on their own, with no help from an instructor, then they only need pay an Instructor to oversee an…

"open source the requirements for accrediting a specific course."

Isn't this MIT OCW and a zillion competitors?

Re: I Can’t Afford a Bachelor’s Degree, So I’m Making My Own

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm diverging from the topic, but isn't it terrible that "a good football team" is a major cost to running a university (in the US)?

It's my understanding that a "good" college football team generates considerable sums of money for a univerity. You're probably thinking about the cost of starting a football program or maintaining an unsuccessful football team.

The last I read, only the top ten or so teams turned a profit.

I am somewhat embittered though, as during my time at university, my tuition went up by $500 for the explicit purpose of funding the football team. And I was paying cash.

Re: I Can’t Afford a Bachelor’s Degree, So I’m Making My Own

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long ago was this? It matters, a lot. Tuition doubled at my school while I was there. I ended up with ~$72k in debt. And it wasn't any Ivy-league school.

While I was at university, I had a total of 18 months of 40-hours/week internships/co-ops. Those were at intern rates, but even so a year and a half of working took care of about $40k of expenses. I continued to work for some of those companies while I was in class, which covered the rest. It's not easy, but if you work hard you can at the very least keep your debt reasonable. (It is probably also worth mentioning th…

Let's be fair though. I knew one person, personally and closely, that went to school full time, worked a full time job and raised two girls (they weren't babies or toddlers though) and managed to get a 3.0+ GPA, but that doesn't mean everybody can do it.

I tried (not the raising the girls bit), with a full time job and going to school full time and my grades plummeted for that semester (which caused me to have to retake a couple classes and delayed my graduation a semester).

Even in a Mid-Missouri small town, making 7-8 bucks an hour working ~24 hours a week, it wasn't enough to survive, let alone survive AND pay "cash" for classes and books.

Re: I Can’t Afford a Bachelor’s Degree, So I’m Making My Own

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This blog post seems like a jumble of ideas that are neither consistent or connected. It starts with colleges should be more than job training centers, then ends with trying to create an accreditation process to prove value to external entities (of which I assume employers are a big part?). It mentions the high cost of education, then describes how his current options are lacking because the number of classes in each…

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