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Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

#42

Hell has officially frozen over. Seriously though. This is great news, good to see that Microsoft is opening themselves up. Whether or not this is because of the new leadership, it's definitely the step in the right direction for Microsoft.

Just business tactic, not 'opening up'.

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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"It will cost 99 euro ($135; £80) when released in July." Is that the price with a 2-year contract or is this going to be a great value phone? Will I be able to wipe this phone and install stock Android? Skype, Outlook, Bing, and all that other MS crap is unwanted. I'm actually a MS supporter and understand the need for them to create all of those services but I personally don't/won't use them. Also, why are UK citiz…

>>Also, why are UK citizens against adopting the euro?

Do you not watch the news?

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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Microsoft releases a phone running Android, Microsoft releases hardware running Linux, pigs are flying and hell is freezing over etc etc. The real news is that this is not just an Android phone, it's a really good Android phone. It has a front facing camera, a decent SoC, enough RAM, what appears to be an IPS display (according to some sources), likely very decent build quality, and a price that is likely to dip belo…

Moto E has roughly the same specs (some better, some worse):

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_e_dual_sim-6323.php

Just because you're not looking, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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so people see Tiles and Cost - same Tiles but cheap cost - Chuck WP phones and go with X devices :P

I am not sure about that. I have seen several examples where the WP is way cheaper than the X alternative

Which makes Microsoft's strategy all the more confusing. At least if they decided to use a fork of Android for sub-$100 devices, then it would be one thing. But they're mixing it up with no clear vision.

The only reason they are continuing to make them is because they got a lot of press for it, because a lot of people wanted "Lumia with real Android" - and most tech sites thought: "Not Lumia...and with a bad clone of Android, must be good enough, so let's write about it anyway".

Without that press and misleading hype about "Nokia with Android", Nokia X would've never launched.

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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20 times this. Sounds like they're already burying Windows Phone (which would really suck, since it's way better than Android IMO, especially since 8.1).

Hmm, just wondering. Why do you think windows phone is better than android? Android is easy to hack about with, custom roms, the source is open and out there (most of it anyway)and generally has great usibility.

Most people who buy a phone don't really care about hackability, open source and custom roms. I own both a WP and a Nexus 5 and frankly, usability and consistency is better on the WP. I prefer Android for the reasons you stated, but you need to understand most people don't think about it that way.

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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They could get Android apps working on Windows Phone OS, rather than this. Microsoft is useless these days.

I doubt that will ever happen, and I hope it doesn't. I'd much prefer to see proper ports of Android and iOS apps, rather than some Frankenstein style compatibility layer.

Re: Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

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20 times this. Sounds like they're already burying Windows Phone (which would really suck, since it's way better than Android IMO, especially since 8.1).

Hmm, just wondering. Why do you think windows phone is better than android? Android is easy to hack about with, custom roms, the source is open and out there (most of it anyway)and generally has great usibility.

Why do you want to be able to hack your phone? I would think you'd want your communications device to not be flakey.

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20 times this. Sounds like they're already burying Windows Phone (which would really suck, since it's way better than Android IMO, especially since 8.1).

Hmm, just wondering. Why do you think windows phone is better than android? Android is easy to hack about with, custom roms, the source is open and out there (most of it anyway)and generally has great usibility.

Usability. I strongly disagree that Android has much of that, and I suspect that a great many Android users simply don't know any better. Windows Phone really is that much better.

Rant: My first smartphone was a Lumia, and then when it broke i went to a Sony Xperia (with a rather clean Android 4.3 on it).

I never even realized how well-designed WP was until I went to Android. Examples:

- Operation. Nearly all of WP is easy to operate with just a thumb, single-handed. All important controls are either near the bottom or reachable by swiping. On Android, I have to reach to the top for all kinds of stuff. It's simply, apparently, an Android design pattern to put a bar with buttons on the top, as far away from my hand as possible. This is plainly ridiculous. On WP, there's a clear relationship between "how important is this action" and "how close is it to the bottom". As it should be.

- Consistency. All well-designed WP apps work the same. Swipe left/right for different screens/tabs, touch the left-side of an item for select-boxes, operations on the bottom and more operations by selecting "...". This is the same nearly everywhere, both for built-in apps and for most well-designed apps from the store.

- Cleanliness and clarity. The Xperia forced me to choose a home screen background picture, making it very difficult to read text and icons. I google-image-searched a "black.png" to work around this, but still, it's cluttered by default, and you need to do work to clean it up. Similarly, most good apps are really clean and uncluttered. I get the info I want to see or manipulate, no bullshit bells and whistles.

- Quick. WP's live tiles are a perfect middle ground for me between bloated Android widgets and app-icons-only like in iPhone. My homescreen only contains the stuff i do often, with bigger buttons for stuff i do more. All this, without cluttering the UI like doing something similar on Android would do (by hand-dragging around a combination of widgets and icons).

Needless to say, I went back to Windows Phone (anyone want to buy a Sony Xperia SP, btw?). Upgraded to WP 8.1, which added:

- The best mobile calendar app I've ever seen. The week view is simply amazing [1].

- Fix for every single thing I want that Android had and WP hadn't: better volume controls, action center for notifications and quick access to settings, stuff like that.

I'm well aware that none of the above includes the things you mention: customizability, open source, etc. WP indeed doesn't have that - it's much more like iOS in that respect. I thought I'd miss this, but with 8.1 fixing all the issues I had with WP, I realize that actually I don't want customizability, I want the thing to work great out of the box.

You only need customization if what you start with sucks.

On the hackability aspect though, WP app development is a very smooth experience compared to Android app dev (assuming you have a Windows computer ready somewhere). The API is very well designed and documented, and the tools are great (assuming you can stand Visual Studio).

[1] http://conversations.nokia.com/2014/04/17/windows-phone-8-1-...

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