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Re: Google glass now in UK

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Post by andy_herbert »

freehunter wrote: post #18
andy_herbert wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone recording me with a camera in their hat or on their lapel or a microphone embedded in their clothes would be treated in roughly the same manner as someone recording me using Glass. Just because the act of wearing the recording device is in plain-sight doesn't make it anymore acceptable to people who find it objectionable.

With a truly hidden camera, you would never know. So you're freaking out over someone who might be able to record you, ignoring the fact that everyone could be recording you without you knowing it.

Either you're wilfully ignoring the point I'm making, or you've missed it completely.

I get that I might never know if or when I'm being monitored by some device, but that in no way justifies explicitly recording someone without their permission.

Re: Google glass now in UK

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Post by freehunter »

andy_herbert wrote: post #21
freehunter wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With a truly hidden camera, you would never know. So you're freaking out over someone who might be able to record you, ignoring the fact that everyone could be recording you without you knowing it.

Either you're wilfully ignoring the point I'm making, or you've missed it completely. I get that I might never know if or when I'm being monitored by some device, but that in no way justifies explicitly recording someone without their permission.

I get the point you're making. But if you're in a public place in the US or UK, you have given your consent to be recorded. The difference between Glass and smaller, less conspicuous recording devices is that with Glass at least you know there's the possibility of being recorded by that person (same way with cell phones). If someone really wanted to record you without your permission, there are cheaper and sneakier ways to do it. Also, it's not that hard to pull out a phone and pretend to text while actually recording video. No one would ever know.

So the idea that people wearing Glass are assholes is a ridiculous notion because there are already numerous ways to record someone without explicit approval, you already have the right to record anyone in a public place even without explicit permission, and it's already possible (and already happens) with existing smartphones. So if you're getting mad at Glass wearers for something that people are already doing, you're the asshole. The only difference between Glass and other technology is that Glass is newer and less common. That's it.

Re: Google glass now in UK

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Post by IneffablePigeon »

andy_herbert wrote: post #16
freehunter wrote: post #8

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Anybody could be recording you with a camera in their hat or on their lapel or a microphone embedded in their clothes that you would never see, but you're worried about someone wearing incredibly obvious glasses. You're the glasshole. Live and let live.

Anyone recording me with a camera in their hat or on their lapel or a microphone embedded in their clothes would be treated in roughly the same manner as someone recording me using Glass. Just because the act of wearing the recording device is in plain-sight doesn't make it anymore acceptable to people who find it objectionable.

Here's the difference: A camera in a hat is designed to record people without their knowledge. Glass is designed to do other things, and, in fact, is terrible at recording people without their knowledge, because everyone knows it's a camera. It even has an indicator light to show when it's recording. It just happens to be possible to record people without their knowledge with it.

If anybody actually wanted to record people without their knowledge, Glass would be a terrible tool to choose, and many times more expensive than the alternatives, too. It's just not worth being that worried about.

Re: Google glass now in UK

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Post by andy_herbert »

freehunter wrote: post #22
andy_herbert wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either you're wilfully ignoring the point I'm making, or you've missed it completely. I get that I might never know if or when I'm being monitored by some device, but that in no way justifies explicitly recording someone without their permission.

I get the point you're making. But if you're in a public place in the US or UK, you have given your consent to be recorded. The difference between Glass and smaller, less conspicuous recording devices is that with Glass at least you know there's the possibility of being recorded by that person (same way with cell phones). If someone really wanted to record you without your permission, there are cheaper and sneakier w…

The photography of an individual can constitute harassment even in a public place - there is no implied consent involved. Even if it were, as you implied, perfectly legal in all cases then this in no way makes the act ethical. This is especially true when concerning a new technology which makes it trivially easy to perform. I'd expect if Glass, or some descendant of it, becomes more ubiquitous, then social guideline and laws would eventually prohibit it's use in certain situations. Would you, for example, be happy with someone recording you in a public restroom?

You're also repeatedly missing the argument I've already made twice in this thread with your second paragraph,

Re: Google glass now in UK

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Post by freehunter »

andy_herbert wrote: post #24
freehunter wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the point you're making. But if you're in a public place in the US or UK, you have given your consent to be recorded. The difference between Glass and smaller, less conspicuous recording devices is that with Glass at least you know there's the possibility of being recorded by that person (same way with cell phones). If someone really wanted to record you without your permission, there are cheaper and sneakier w…

The photography of an individual can constitute harassment even in a public place - there is no implied consent involved. Even if it were, as you implied, perfectly legal in all cases then this in no way makes the act ethical. This is especially true when concerning a new technology which makes it trivially easy to perform. I'd expect if Glass, or some descendant of it, becomes more ubiquitous, then social guideline…

Filming someone is rude. What are you going to do about it? Ban smartphones? It's trivially easy to pretend to use your phone while secretly recording. Ban DSLRs? I could pretend to be taking static pictures while actually running a video. Ban video cameras? They might look like they're idle, but maybe they're recording with the "recording" light turned off. Ban surveillance cameras? Hell, anyone can hang one of them on a building, and who knows where the video will end up?

I'm not missing the argument. You're just not making an argument worth refuting. "Oh no, someone has a device capable of recording me" so fucking what? Welcome to 1975, you can buy recording devices at a dollar store. No one looks twice when there's a CCTV camera or a smartphone out in public.

You hate Glass because it's unusual, not because it's capable of recording you.

Re: Google glass now in UK

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Post by gurkendoktor »

csallen wrote: post #13
gurkendoktor wrote: post #10

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Yes, but anyone with a camera in their hat or a microphone in their clothes would be labeled creepy real quick. (Which is the point.) It's not like people who hate Glass are fine with spy cams. And the irony about "live and let live" is that Glass is recording other people. Nobody cares about what people do to themselves.

I think the parent's point is that the technology to secretly record people already exists, but people treat Glass as if it's the sole means by which to do such thing. And even when they do recognize other forms of secret recordings, they give them a pass while simultaneously condemning Glass. There's a huge double standard. Case in point: Remember that Seattle restaurant that famously argued (via Facebook) with a di…

It is consensus that having a hidden camera in your hat is creepy. There is no need to point it out every time someone talks about Google Glass.

Holding your cellphone at a 90° angle while facing people, especially for longer periods of time, will not make you any friends either.

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