Employees That Stay In Companies Longer Get Paid Less
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#2In London, certainly within Financial Tech, it is almost expected that you will job hop every few years, so the employers tend to price this in, with small incremental pay rises, little training, but often reasonable bonuses, to at least keep you there for about three years.
We also saw this was more prevalent with our offshore outsourced colleagues - over there anyone with even a modicum of skill would job hop every 6-18 months. Each time to lock in a payrise.
Employers will give you the shaft without a heartbeat of second thought; never seen why they should expect more from their "resources".
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#4When I first started out as an "intermediate" software developer (after a couple years as doing contract work) I was poached twice within a year of taking a position, both times the offers were at least 30% higher, an amount my existing employers where highly unlikely to match (in fact in the second case I knew this because I had already attempted to negotiate a salary increase with them before leaving).
These were, as they say, offers I couldn't refuse. To financially cripple myself for the sake of loyalty would have been stupid. Moreover I felt it would also be stupid to remain with an organization that clearly had broken retention policies for employees.
What's somewhat surprising is that this occurred in Vancouver, a city that is notorious for low pay in the tech sector. Nowadays, if I wasn't doing my own startup I'm quite certain I would have received another offer of at least a 50% increase by now.
As a potential employer now I'm trying to figure out how best to ensure that I'm not making the same mistakes I saw at the places I worked for. Best as I can figure out, at least in Vancouver, this means paying salaries that exceed expectations and typical local numbers and look more like what people would be getting if they looked outside of Vancouver. I think this also means regular raises and bonuses so people don't feel like staying is going to hurt them financially.
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#5This is fascinating that there is actually hard evidence for this, but it's not surprising to me given my own experiences. When I first started out as an "intermediate" software developer (after a couple years as doing contract work) I was poached twice within a year of taking a position, both times the offers were at least 30% higher, an amount my existing employers where highly unlikely to match (in fact in the sec…
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#6My best raises occurred when I went back to a previous employer after working somewhere else for a few years. Sure, job hop every three of four years, but also consider going back to work for previous explorers.
Re: Employees That Stay In Companies Longer Get Paid Less
#7This is fascinating that there is actually hard evidence for this, but it's not surprising to me given my own experiences. When I first started out as an "intermediate" software developer (after a couple years as doing contract work) I was poached twice within a year of taking a position, both times the offers were at least 30% higher, an amount my existing employers where highly unlikely to match (in fact in the sec…
Overpay your people and give them insane perks, benefits, upside, and an environment they won't find anywhere else.
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#9My best raises occurred when I went back to a previous employer after working somewhere else for a few years. Sure, job hop every three of four years, but also consider going back to work for previous explorers.
Some companies have a limit on the number of times you can work for them, in order to prevent people from hopping and coming back for more money. I think a previous company I worked at had a limit of 2 employment periods, which they instituted (supposedly) after a large number of people took voluntary separation and then came back later after the company started growing more. The next time a voluntary separation came…
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#10I think that we really need to find different ways of developing software to deal with this reality. A commenter here mentions the London financials community and people job hopping < 12-18 months. I've heard terrible horror stories about some of that code.