A semi-interesting observation of the graph on one of the first slides: C# is highest on StackOverflow metric because the site has been historically concentrating more on Microsoft technologies. This also shows on how the different languages are separated by the diagonal line: technologies/languages closer to Microsoft are above the line and more "open" alternatives are under the line.
Why The Cool Kids Don't Use Erlang
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#32What I would like addressed by someone from Erlang is the reality of Celluloid in Ruby, and do honest comparisons. http://celluloid.io Otherwise, the speaker seems like a good representative, but the presentation is so verbose it makes me want to concurrently handle his thesis asynchronously in parallel threads and remove the human... in jRuby, using Celluloid.
I'm a long time Rubyist that is new to the Erlang world by way of Elixir mostly. I did use Celluloid in Ruby and it is actually what eventually lead me to Erlang/Elixir.
I think Celluloid is neat and a great set of abstractions for multi threading in Ruby. However, there's more to actors than just having it implemented in a library. Erlang's VM was designed for the actor model whereas Ruby MRI is not. Celluloid actors run in OS threads which can't scale to hundreds of thousands where as Erlang processes can. Using Celluloid with JRuby is closer but still not quite the same.
All that said, Celluloid is damn cool and Tony Arcieri did incredible work on it.
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#33Interesting that the old warhorse FORTRAN is still in relatively high demand on their graph slide 4
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#34An interesting thing is Common Lisp's place in the graph. It roughly translates to saying Common Lispers have less woes relatively. The CL nerds were right all along :)
That or they just would rather suffer than talk to or work with another human being.
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#351. It is good the cool kids are not drawn to Erlang because then we would end up in the state Ruby and Node are now. 2. The biggest fail in IT - "I can't find experienced developers in Erlang/ ": Most employers are muppets. Rather than hire a decent developer and allow them to learn a new tech on the role, they scour the market for candidates that are probably just lying on the resume/CV. I have already seen resumes/…
Interestingly enough, in both the start up and corporate world I've seen hiring when the developer has NO skill in the language. This was true about Java, this was true about Ruby. This was true about python... I think what would be a more interesting analysis is what cohort pre-selects themselves to functional languages, or projects where that technology is used? Out of all the software today, where is the most prom…
That's what happened at my first job hired as a research assistant at a world leading research place.
My instructions where Keith will give you an hours instruction on how to use the PDP there is a book on fortan in the company library go and learn it.
Oh BTW that was leaving high school with 5 O Levels
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because Akka can't magically patch over the JVM's shared memory model: http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/snapshot/general/jmm.html#jmm-s... And because the JVM does global stop-the-world garbage collection, which makes soft real-time implausible because of the unpredictability of GC affecting your actors. Erlang has per-process heaps. Basically the Erlang VM was created for this use case while the JVM was not, and its not…
Java/Scala do allow you to do bad things. So add the following to Hershel's question: "Assume developers are non-malicious and will only pass immutable objects across actor/future boundaries." Also, I'm not that familiar with Erlang's memory model, so I might be wrong on this. But as far as I'm aware the memory for a message in Erlang is shared between threads - it's only local variables that use private memory. This…
Even if developers are non-malicious, they aren't infallible.
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#37A semi-interesting observation of the graph on one of the first slides: C# is highest on StackOverflow metric because the site has been historically concentrating more on Microsoft technologies. This also shows on how the different languages are separated by the diagonal line: technologies/languages closer to Microsoft are above the line and more "open" alternatives are under the line.
How can an open free Q&A site be concentrated on something? It simply reflects what people want and need.
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#38I would think that the "Hard to find developers" takeaway was a pretty good incentive for developers to start learning erlang.
I don't get this thing about having to find developers in a particular language. I work on a lot of OCaml programs, and have used and hired developers to work on the same programs. None of them had OCaml experience before, but they just learned it as they went along (because they are intelligent programmers). I actively don't want someone who only knows one language. Also we're using RabbitMQ (written in Erlang). At…
There's something worth talking about, which is that a sophisticated and ingenious mess is orders of magnitude more costly than a simple minded mess. My experience with brilliant functional programmers is that it's hard to know whether you're getting someone who can use it as the best tool for a job in a simple, elegant, and maintainable way, or a cargo-cultist who delights in sophistication and cleverness and purity for their own sake, to great excess, and leaves a codebase that needs to be scrapped and re-written when they get bored and leave the company 6 months later, when everyone realizes that the twisty baroque monstrosity could just be handled by an imperative loop one quarter of the size that any high schooler could understand.
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#39Does that RedMonk chart not show that it is fairly cool? You have C# and Java at the top - I wouldn't call them cool, widespread, not cool. It's above, on both axes Arduino, Dart, TypeScript. It's in the vicinity of Clojure, Go, CoffeeScript.
Yeah. The cool kids are using Erlang. If everybody was doing it, it wouldn't be cool.
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#40This thing is completely unreadable on a phone. Does it have a more phone-friendly version somewhere?