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Re: Web Starter Kit

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Post by notreadbyhumans »

frostmatthew wrote: post #147
sanderjd wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's both good and bad in theory and both good and bad in practice. Certainly most of the things you list are major downsides, but none of them keep the upside from being (IMO more) major. I'm you're right that the experience is "almost always" sub-par. I would say "often", but not even "usually". I guess YMMV.

> I'm you're right that the experience is "almost always" sub-par. I would say "often", but not even "usually". I guess YMMV. There aren't actually many fair/accurate comparisons around since most companies have either a shrink-wrapped product or a webapp. Rarely do you see both, and when there are I agree with jacquesm that the experience is almost always sub-par on the webapp [in comparison to the desktop app]. You…

Apple's iWork suite is an example where someone is at least trying to make applications that run equally well within the browser, on mobile and on desktops.

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Post by collyw »

jacquesm wrote: post #131
ender7 wrote: post #128

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The shocking, unprecedented, world-changing difference that the web brings is that on the web all you have to do is click a link and your computer downloads, "installs", and runs a program. No manual installation necessary, no upgrades, no installers or wizards. No delay. This process is safe -- the page is sandboxed and can't interfere with the rest of your machine. And these things can be instantly shared! All I ha…

That's the theory. The practice is that - you give your precious data to third parties - that the safety problem now shifts from keeping your computer safe to keeping data in the hands of third parties safe (and this does not always play out in the way we would like, see codespaces for a recent example) - that even the client side safety is a problem, the 'distribution advantages' have also been recognized widely by…

that the final experience is almost always sub-par.

I have a Gmail account and a work one that is on Thunderbird. Gmail's through the web is just overall better than Thunderbird and I usually get people to send work stuff to my Gmail account.

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Post by jp555 »

gress wrote: post #208
jacquesm wrote: post #146

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Yes, absolutely true. But I can't help thinking that there must be a better way to achieve these goals than this mess we've made. We're clearly in 'we should be amazed the pig dances at all' territory rather than in 'look how good the pig can dance'.

The better way would have been for the open source community to advance the Linux desktop in the way that OSX has been evolved - i.e. To gradually bring the advantages of the web back to the OS.

But if OSX has evolved that way... Why not just use OSX?

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Post by Lennie »

jacquesm wrote: post #131
ender7 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The shocking, unprecedented, world-changing difference that the web brings is that on the web all you have to do is click a link and your computer downloads, "installs", and runs a program. No manual installation necessary, no upgrades, no installers or wizards. No delay. This process is safe -- the page is sandboxed and can't interfere with the rest of your machine. And these things can be instantly shared! All I ha…

That's the theory. The practice is that - you give your precious data to third parties - that the safety problem now shifts from keeping your computer safe to keeping data in the hands of third parties safe (and this does not always play out in the way we would like, see codespaces for a recent example) - that even the client side safety is a problem, the 'distribution advantages' have also been recognized widely by…

I hear these comments about giving precious data to third parties all the time.

But I don't hear many people talk about trying to improve it like some others are doing with remotestorage.io and byoFS or Mylar.

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Post by thomasfl »

That's it. Google now finally owns the web. The decide what people should find on the web, and they define the web standards, so why not use their html templates.

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Post by [deleted] »

fidotron wrote: post #13

The web is now hamstrung by the HTML/CSS layout model more than anything else. The hackery required to attempt to imitate native mobile apps is horrific. Google would be better off throwing efforts into a new layout engine leveraging raw JS and WebGL, but with a sane API, than these continuous attempts to push HTML into places where it doesn't work. If they don't lead it I can see someone else doing it in such a way…

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Re: Web Starter Kit

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Post by moretti »

I'm curios about the CSS naming conventions.

I'm assuming for example that component--modifier-name denotes a class modifier (ex. .button--primary and .button--secondary) and component__descendant-name denotes a a descendent node of a component (ex articles-list__item).

It looks similar to SuitCSS (https://github.com/suitcss/suit/blob/master/doc/naming-conve...). Is there more information about them?

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