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Stockman bill allows taxpayers to use same lame excuses as IRS

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Re: Stockman bill allows taxpayers to use same lame excuses as IRS

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Post by dmckeon »

everettForth wrote: post #7

Rep. Thomas Massie ( https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie ) , who is partially responsible for this: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/06/eff-statement-massie-l... is going to serve on a hearing about lost IRS emails soon. Supposedly, a "crashed computer" caused 2-years worth of Lois Lerner's emails to be lost, though many emails were recovered through "other sources." He wants to know, does anyone have any questions…

Here's a set of questions that anyone in IT who thinks they might ever be the focus of a similar frenzy might want to consider:

http://sharylattkisson.com/lois-lerners-lost-emails-question...

(basically, it is a long list mostly of: what did you know, when did you know it, and how did you document that?)

Personally, re the e-mails, I'm less inclined to blame malice, and would look to incompetence, aided by years of patchwork backup and support processes.

Re: Stockman bill allows taxpayers to use same lame excuses as IRS

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Post by ars »

nmrm wrote: post #5
notblahbl4hblah wrote: post #3

Are you shitting me? Stockman is a grade a douchebag. Let me guess you still think that the IRS scandal is real? Also, I love how not paying your fair share is patriotic somehow. This site has become a fucking joke.

Your tone is less than constructive and I agree with the down-votes. But I also have to agree with your assessment given the contents of the article. The bill typifies the sort of "you're so stupid/corrupt/ridiculous we can't even talk with each other" attitude that is causing so many problems of late. "Made me chuckle at those other people" does not constitute good leadership. edit: the title of the bill is "The Dog…

He doesn't expect it to actually pass, it's a way of shaming the IRS.

How else should he do it? A strongly worded letter?

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Post by bignaj »

x0x0 wrote: post #10

So, for people who aren't tea-party morons, here's what actually happened: The irs keeps 6 months of emails on tape; when investigators asked for emails in mid-2013, tape was available through late 2012. Lerner's computer crashed in mid-2011, and there is contemporaneous documentation of this crash. 2011 in the future . Some emails have been recovered the obvious way -- by querying the other parties. one of many (non…

I'm not interested in the political side of this whatsoever, but you have to realize that Mother Jones is about as non-partisan as the National Review is[1] and is not going to convince those who would like a more neutral view. I'm not saying this analysis is wrong but could have picked a better source IMO...

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Modern_liberal_America...

Re: Stockman bill allows taxpayers to use same lame excuses as IRS

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Post by ars »

x0x0 wrote: post #10

So, for people who aren't tea-party morons, here's what actually happened: The irs keeps 6 months of emails on tape; when investigators asked for emails in mid-2013, tape was available through late 2012. Lerner's computer crashed in mid-2011, and there is contemporaneous documentation of this crash. 2011 in the future . Some emails have been recovered the obvious way -- by querying the other parties. one of many (non…

> it's not as if she could know that her emails would be requested in the future.

Really? You do something illegal, or unethical and don't expect anyone to ever come check up on you?

The IRS should be saving emails forever, or at the very minimum for 3 years.

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Post by CWilliams1013 »

x0x0 wrote: post #10

So, for people who aren't tea-party morons, here's what actually happened: The irs keeps 6 months of emails on tape; when investigators asked for emails in mid-2013, tape was available through late 2012. Lerner's computer crashed in mid-2011, and there is contemporaneous documentation of this crash. 2011 in the future . Some emails have been recovered the obvious way -- by querying the other parties. one of many (non…

> The irs keeps 6 months of emails on tape; when investigators asked for emails in mid-2013, tape was available through late 2012.

IRS guidelines state that official records, in accordance with the Federal Records Act, must be retained (at the very least archived as a hardcopy). So the IRS is institutionally violating their own guidelines, as well as federal law?

> 2011 Except for the letter sent by Chairman Camp to then-Commissioner Schulman riiiiight before the crash: http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/non_6103_ltr_fin...

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Post by teapartyBS »

jobu wrote: post #2

Computer failure, and they recycled the hard drives?! For legal reasons, most companies I've worked for remove and store the hard-drive from people's computers for several years. It's hard to believe a government agency wouldn't have similar data-retention rules. Also: "In any case, IRS can see the NSA for a good, high quality copy." I was thinking this as I read the post.

They store broken hard drives for years? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Who knows when someone will need to try and end you career as a civil servant to advance their chances with hillbilly racists in a midterm... so keep those broken drives for ever!

Of course, the drives could have info about the liberal nonprofits that they targeted, too... but that wouldn't help any of these bat shit crazy house reps would it?

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Post by Dystopian »

teapartyBS wrote: post #16
jobu wrote: post #2

Computer failure, and they recycled the hard drives?! For legal reasons, most companies I've worked for remove and store the hard-drive from people's computers for several years. It's hard to believe a government agency wouldn't have similar data-retention rules. Also: "In any case, IRS can see the NSA for a good, high quality copy." I was thinking this as I read the post.

They store broken hard drives for years? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Who knows when someone will need to try and end you career as a civil servant to advance their chances with hillbilly racists in a midterm... so keep those broken drives for ever! Of course, the drives could have info about the liberal nonprofits that they targeted, too... but that wouldn't help any of these bat shit crazy house reps would it?

There's a wide-range of workstation support managers out there.

I've worked in a small investment office that saved the drives for a couple years after the pull. I've been on a team in a government office that was literally "re-image everything, screw data" crazy. It really depends at who's at the helm and the policies that are in place.

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