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Re: Things You Love are Made with Code

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be. The question is: Do you want to drive every day to work over the bridge that was not build by engineers.

I disagree with your metaphor. If the bridge you're on collapses, you could be seriously injured. If the CRM you're working in crashes, you're moderately inconvenienced until it comes back up.

There is comparable "life at risk" software. Hospital electronic records and devices, the software controlling your car, airplane autopilots, etc.

Re: Things You Love are Made with Code

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While I commend initiatives like this, I don't think people should be so eager to make girls start coding. If your daughter shows no interest whatsoever after being exposed to coding, well, maybe it just isn't her cup of tea. It's the same with boys, of course. I know so much people who had been pressured into the same profession as their parents. Not all of them today love what they do. We should be helping kids dis…

We force kids to learn math even if they have no interest in it. Same with history, chemistry, biology, etc...

Forcing them to learn an intro to something is very different from forcing them into a career about that something. They don't know whether or not they like it if they've never tried it. This seems to be a campaign to get young girls to try it, nothing more.

Re: Things You Love are Made with Code

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I'm curious, are there growing initiatives to make every career gender/race balanced? Because it seems like we're fixated on getting female representation in computer/mathematical occupations from 26.1% to 50%. Yet there are lot other occupations which have pretty low representations, i.e. only 1.6% of architects are black, 0.1% of judges/magistrates are Asian, only 1.8% of automotive repairers are women, only 5.2% of truck drivers are women, 19.7% of social workers are men, 5.2% of childcare workers are men, 3.8% of physicians/surgeons are Hispanic, etc.

Re: Things You Love are Made with Code

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post #4

> engineering isn’t just for engineers. Yes it is.

Yes it is. There is value in learning to build things without being an engineer, but you should know the limits of your skill so you don't cause others harm.

| you should know the limits of your skill so you don't cause others harm

Which is funny how the 'hacker' mentality is to build things fast and cheap. Along with Zuckerberg's "Most fast and break things" mantra.

Re: Things You Love are Made with Code

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be. The question is: Do you want to drive every day to work over the bridge that was not build by engineers.

I disagree with your metaphor. If the bridge you're on collapses, you could be seriously injured. If the CRM you're working in crashes, you're moderately inconvenienced until it comes back up.

The people at Knight Capital would disagree with your statement [1][2].

[1] http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/knight-capital-says-t...

[2] http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/09/technology/knight-expensive-...

Re: Things You Love are Made with Code

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While I commend initiatives like this, I don't think people should be so eager to make girls start coding. If your daughter shows no interest whatsoever after being exposed to coding, well, maybe it just isn't her cup of tea. It's the same with boys, of course. I know so much people who had been pressured into the same profession as their parents. Not all of them today love what they do. We should be helping kids dis…

I wish I remembered where the study was now, but I remember reading one which said that girls were naturally curious about STEM careers, up to around 12, when it starts to tail off dramatically. The theory was that societal issues begin to kick in that makes girls not want to: no role models, fellow students telling them it's for nerds and no girls do it, male jock stuff.

So the curiosity and talent is just drained out of them. That's the issue.

But as I don't have the study to hand, of course I could just be making this all up :/

Re: Things You Love are Made with Code

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post #24

I'm curious, are there growing initiatives to make every career gender/race balanced? Because it seems like we're fixated on getting female representation in computer/mathematical occupations from 26.1% to 50%. Yet there are lot other occupations which have pretty low representations, i.e. only 1.6% of architects are black, 0.1% of judges/magistrates are Asian, only 1.8% of automotive repairers are women, only 5.2% o…

It may not be socially acceptable to ask these questions but I wonder the same thing fairly frequently.

Re: Things You Love are Made with Code

#29
post #24

I'm curious, are there growing initiatives to make every career gender/race balanced? Because it seems like we're fixated on getting female representation in computer/mathematical occupations from 26.1% to 50%. Yet there are lot other occupations which have pretty low representations, i.e. only 1.6% of architects are black, 0.1% of judges/magistrates are Asian, only 1.8% of automotive repairers are women, only 5.2% o…

Well hopefully there are, but that's up to the people in those professions.

Re: Things You Love are Made with Code

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While I commend initiatives like this, I don't think people should be so eager to make girls start coding. If your daughter shows no interest whatsoever after being exposed to coding, well, maybe it just isn't her cup of tea. It's the same with boys, of course. I know so much people who had been pressured into the same profession as their parents. Not all of them today love what they do. We should be helping kids dis…

I wish I remembered where the study was now, but I remember reading one which said that girls were naturally curious about STEM careers, up to around 12, when it starts to tail off dramatically. The theory was that societal issues begin to kick in that makes girls not want to: no role models, fellow students telling them it's for nerds and no girls do it, male jock stuff. So the curiosity and talent is just drained o…

I unfortunately can't find it either, but this month I heard a talk by Madeline Di Nonno, the CEO of the geena davis institute, cite that it is in 4th grade (~10yrs old) when there is a marked drop off in interest in STEM for the reasons you list. likely more at their site: seejane.org
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