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Re: Web Starter Kit

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post #132

Is it just me, or do the fonts on that page look terrible on Windows? /edit: looks like it's just "Roboto Condensed"

Chrome has finally fixed this. There is a flag for DirectWrite in the release version, but it's actually polished in Canary.

They are aiming for 37.

https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=137692#c...

Re: Web Starter Kit

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I am a bit confused here. What is the difference between Dart and Angular, and this initiative? I hope this does not sound as a dumb question. I am asking this because people here are comparing it to Twitter Bootstrap.

Here's an informative podcast by the Changelog that interviews a Dart author and a Dart outreach advocate, http://thechangelog.com/121/

tldr; it's more than compiling to JS.

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post #102

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Developers that enjoyed access to Xerox PARC systems, RAD tooling, and environments like NeXTStep already had access to much better hypertext systems with layout support.

Do you have any good links/articles/discussions on these systems? I've read a bit about the origins of NeXTStep, but the work at PARC is something I know little about and RAD tooling is something completely new to me.

Self http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox5P7QyL774

Xerox Star User Interface http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn4vC80Pv6Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODZBL80JPqw

Tektronix 4404 Smalltalk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yxCJfayW-8

The Smalltalk-80 Programming System http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLPiMl8XUKU

The Final Demonstration of the Xerox 'Star' computer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OwG_rQ_Hqw

Symbolics Hypertext Document http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DxYj32cvoE

Warren Teitelman work at Xerox PARC https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7579613

The Mesa/Cedar programming environment https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fbitsavers....

Steve Jobs internal demo of NeXTSTEP 3, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gveTy4EmNyk

Alan Kay on Xerox PARC work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oonXT-gYjU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y43fI7Dy04A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QJTsPQQCCc

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I think it's both good and bad in theory and both good and bad in practice. Certainly most of the things you list are major downsides, but none of them keep the upside from being (IMO more) major. I'm you're right that the experience is "almost always" sub-par. I would say "often", but not even "usually". I guess YMMV.

> I'm you're right that the experience is "almost always" sub-par. I would say "often", but not even "usually". I guess YMMV. There aren't actually many fair/accurate comparisons around since most companies have either a shrink-wrapped product or a webapp. Rarely do you see both, and when there are I agree with jacquesm that the experience is almost always sub-par on the webapp [in comparison to the desktop app]. You…

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Re: Web Starter Kit

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http://browsersync.io/ - at least the server side seems to be open.

Nope. This is a chrome feature that just happens to have the same name as that site. There is no connection.

No, it's http://browsersync.io/ - the readme links directly to that site: https://github.com/google/web-starter-kit#features

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post #188

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Nope. This is a chrome feature that just happens to have the same name as that site. There is no connection.

No, it's http://browsersync.io/ - the readme links directly to that site: https://github.com/google/web-starter-kit#features

I stand corrected. This is a design-time tool. I mistook it for the consumer feature of the same name.

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post #145

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But in practice it is much better than any alternative multi-platform instant software installation ecosystem. And in practice, it has led to a thriving ecosystem of applications, most of which can link to each other and will work on a large portion of users' devices.

Yes, absolutely true. But I can't help thinking that there must be a better way to achieve these goals than this mess we've made. We're clearly in 'we should be amazed the pig dances at all' territory rather than in 'look how good the pig can dance'.

The better way would have been for the open source community to advance the Linux desktop in the way that OSX has been evolved - i.e. To gradually bring the advantages of the web back to the OS.

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post #106

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When having these Native vs Other discussions, is it possible you could use something more specific than the word native? It means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. For example is declaring layouts in an XML file in an Android app considered native in this case? I've heard others say that Android apps that run on the Dalvik JVM should not be considered native. Maybe you are talking more about Co…

Native is whatever the operating system uses for user space applications. Android uses Java, C and C++ for user space applications, hence native Android means all three languages using Android APIs.

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Re: Web Starter Kit

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post #128

This somehow reminds me of Inception. We have a perfectly functional computer, then we run a browser on it, we download a bunch of HTML, which in turn will download a whole slew of JavaScript in order to create the illusion of an application running natively that offers a subset of what the computer could offer. The only difference is that this web application supposedly runs on 'all devices' except that every web ap…

The shocking, unprecedented, world-changing difference that the web brings is that on the web all you have to do is click a link and your computer downloads, "installs", and runs a program. No manual installation necessary, no upgrades, no installers or wizards. No delay. This process is safe -- the page is sandboxed and can't interfere with the rest of your machine. And these things can be instantly shared! All I ha…

So, which browser has a perfect sandbox for everything it does? I like the sound of it. I wonder why they don't employ those same skills to secure other software.
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