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Re: Julian Assange AMA on Reddit

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Many Redditors seem to lack patience. Calling it the worst AMA because there are not many answers after 20 minutes is really impolite. Sometimes I need more time just to write a two sentence email reply. Give Julian the time he needs.

Woody Harrelson's AMA must be the worst all time - http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/p9a1v/im_woody_harrels...

Re: Julian Assange AMA on Reddit

#42
post #41
post #5

Many Redditors seem to lack patience. Calling it the worst AMA because there are not many answers after 20 minutes is really impolite. Sometimes I need more time just to write a two sentence email reply. Give Julian the time he needs.

Woody Harrelson's AMA must be the worst all time - http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/p9a1v/im_woody_harrels...

At least it was theoretically Woody.

The Morgan Freeman was one of the more confusing: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1c5zxh/i_am_morgan_fre...

Mods response: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1c823w/meta_ask_us_any...

Re: Julian Assange AMA on Reddit

#43
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He doesn't want to live in the Ecuadorian embassy for the rest of his life and calls for help. How incredibly selfish of him.

He would get more sympathy by publicly facing the accusations, not hiding out from everyone. Saying on his site that Sweden is "effectively detaining him without charging him with a crime" when Sweden isn't detaining him anywhere (he's holed himself up in an embassy in London) is the type of misleading nonsense that rubs me the wrong way. Also claiming that the UK isn't honoring his political asylum granted by anothe…

I don't care about him relishing in martyrdom but the rape allegations are serious business in many ways, so yes if those are true then his actions would be hideous.

The problem is that I don't know if they are true and that they essentially don't take away from WikiLeaks mission and Assange's part in it - as horrible as those allegations are.

Who should be given the benefit of the doubt? I would argue the weak.

Who are the most vulnerable and weak in this whole issue? The women Assange allegedly took advantage of against their will? Probably.

A man shedding and successfully marketing the ugly truths of very powerful people? Probably.

It's a complicated world and not only that, it seems as if the game has been rigged from the get go (by all powerful parties) so I don't feel like I could allow myself strong judgement.

Re: Julian Assange AMA on Reddit

#45
post #23

Am I the only one that finds Assange to be just an absolute self-centered ass? He's trying to turn himself into a cult leader, and runs his own "justice" site[0]. He's manipulative and just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. [0] - http://freeassangenow.org/

> Am I the only one that finds Assange to be just an absolute self-centered ass?

Can the same not be said about virtually every prominent politician or bureaucrat around the world? I spent a decade in DC and can think of precious few cases where this is not true.

I've known Julian since the 1990s. While he and I likely still have the same policy disagreements we argued about back then, I'd say the world would be a better place if we had more people like him and fewer of our current crop of politicians and bureaucrats in power.

Put another way, I'm not as interested in complaints about someone's personality ("he's so self-centered!" "manipulative!") as I am in the public policy work they do. That's where you might find some room for criticism here.

Re: Julian Assange AMA on Reddit

#46
post #23

Am I the only one that finds Assange to be just an absolute self-centered ass? He's trying to turn himself into a cult leader, and runs his own "justice" site[0]. He's manipulative and just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. [0] - http://freeassangenow.org/

I've always found this response interesting - I guess it suggests the character assassination attempts against him worked.

The issues surrounding the alleged rape feel weird to me, it's easy to discredit someone (especially in the United States) by mentioning anything about sex. It seems wrong to target someone soliciting information for media purposes who themselves isn't breaking the law (assuming of course he didn't rape anyone - that's why these kind of allegations are particularly insidious). It kind of reminds me of the Snowden leak about the NSA using web history and porn habits against Islamic fundamentalists to discredit them.

I think he was talking to the media and a lot of his original conversations were clear, articulate and measured. He was building a powerful brand which upset people in the US so he was targeted to get him out of the way - and to cloud search results/stories about him with the rape allegations. If this truly was the intent, it appears to have worked.

I think it's interesting that what drove him to working on this stuff was the fact that his research in the US was retroactively classified (they used to do a lot of this kind of thing with early cryptography patents and research). From what I've read he was frustrated by this and felt it was an improper use of government secrecy.

I'd imagine if the rape allegations really were fabricated in some way (or at least distorted) there would be some fear in facing them - since that's a lot of geopolitical power against you. Seems like a difficult situation.

Re: Julian Assange AMA on Reddit

#47
post #23

Am I the only one that finds Assange to be just an absolute self-centered ass? He's trying to turn himself into a cult leader, and runs his own "justice" site[0]. He's manipulative and just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. [0] - http://freeassangenow.org/

I've always found this response interesting - I guess it suggests the character assassination attempts against him worked. The issues surrounding the alleged rape feel weird to me, it's easy to discredit someone (especially in the United States) by mentioning anything about sex. It seems wrong to target someone soliciting information for media purposes who themselves isn't breaking the law (assuming of course he didn…

I guess it suggests the character assassination attempts against him worked.

Plenty of people thought Assange was full of him self well-before the rape accusation (that pionar didn't even mention) or any other supposed character assassination.

It's not particularly hard to get a negative impression of him from his own writings, from his hype-man behavior for Wikileaks, his mercenary approach to selling access to media organizations, or from various first-hand accounts of people that worked with him.

Re: Julian Assange AMA on Reddit

#48
post #43
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He would get more sympathy by publicly facing the accusations, not hiding out from everyone. Saying on his site that Sweden is "effectively detaining him without charging him with a crime" when Sweden isn't detaining him anywhere (he's holed himself up in an embassy in London) is the type of misleading nonsense that rubs me the wrong way. Also claiming that the UK isn't honoring his political asylum granted by anothe…

I don't care about him relishing in martyrdom but the rape allegations are serious business in many ways, so yes if those are true then his actions would be hideous. The problem is that I don't know if they are true and that they essentially don't take away from WikiLeaks mission and Assange's part in it - as horrible as those allegations are. Who should be given the benefit of the doubt? I would argue the weak. Who…

The woman Assange allegedly raped is currently refusing to cooperate with the prosecutor and police. She is even refusing to sign her own testimony. The unsigned testmony states however that she was "half-asleep" when Assange initiated sex, which is what the prosecutor is using to charge Assange for lesser degree rape.

Her intention, as far as public statements has been, is quite clear. She wanted him tested for HIV. She had asked him, but he refused, so a few days later she went to the police to ask if they could force him to take a HIV.

I remember reading that she simply felt tricked by the prosecutor/police when the media circus started with the arrest warrant and extraditions. If we want to take her side (which should do), then what would the correct course of actions be?

Re: Julian Assange AMA on Reddit

#49
post #14
post #5

Many Redditors seem to lack patience. Calling it the worst AMA because there are not many answers after 20 minutes is really impolite. Sometimes I need more time just to write a two sentence email reply. Give Julian the time he needs.

I usually wait for the interesting AMAs to show up on /r/tabled before I even bother looking at them. Much cleaner way to go through them and avoid the clutter.

See also http://www.topiama.com/ which I think was done by a HN member here.

Re: Julian Assange AMA on Reddit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the list of banned domains public? I'd love to know what is ban-worthy on HN.

This is as close as we've got: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=499044 As pg says at the beginning of the comment, if you want to know if a particular domain is banned, just submit something and see if it's dead immediately. FWIW, this comment and my previous one aren't a complaint: I think that most of this is a good thing. I _do_ think the mods kill some important stories, and I think the flamewar filter is ter…

Thank you. After all this time I'm still amazed. There's always a kind HN reader around with specific knowledge. :-)
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