Twitter Bootstrap competitor?
More like html5boilerplate alternative.
More like Yeoman competition.
Web Starter Kit
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
What I meant, was initially people were pixel-painting fixed screens and 2D/3D graphic programming evolved as one branch, and GUI app frameworks evolved as another (MacApp anyone?). If you look at earlier Mac/Windows/X app frameworks and iOS/Android app frameworks, you'll see that the latter is a more naive and easy solution to the same problem without the burden of multiple docs, windows and massive multitasking. I'…
Developers that enjoyed access to Xerox PARC systems, RAD tooling, and environments like NeXTStep already had access to much better hypertext systems with layout support.
Do you have any good links/articles/discussions on these systems? I've read a bit about the origins of NeXTStep, but the work at PARC is something I know little about and RAD tooling is something completely new to me.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Web was never meant for applications" And yet the web is a better platform for applications than anything else. Zero installation, linkable states via URLs, universal back button support, accessibility hooks, multi-device, write-once-run-anywhere and an enormous variety of available programming languages. All of that, AND it's built on top of truly open standards that aren't controlled by a single company and can't…
write-once-debug-hack-anywhere is more accurate.
Still beats write-multiple-times-debug-everywhere.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> After a little practice, it can even get easy. Just googling for "vertical align text css" should be enough to tell you that different layout is needed. Why shouldn't there be a layout model that makes it easy to do the things people are trying to do? The idea that we shouldn't even attempt to create a better one is silly.
I think the problem comes from a lack of understand of the complexity of such a task. Vertical align text according to what? The easiest way to vertical align text is exactly how you'd expect it to be, and it solves the problem perfectly. If you want to align text vertically, you just do font-size: 20px; line-height: 40px; vertical-align: middle; What's the problem?
I assume that only work with single line text?
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#115This somehow reminds me of Inception. We have a perfectly functional computer, then we run a browser on it, we download a bunch of HTML, which in turn will download a whole slew of JavaScript in order to create the illusion of an application running natively that offers a subset of what the computer could offer. The only difference is that this web application supposedly runs on 'all devices' except that every web ap…
Exactly. This all leads me to wonder if work can't be done to take the good web concepts and back port them to the operating system level, per the ideas I've briefly touched on in these two prior comments:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7917921 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7891913
edit: the two drive-by downvoters are invited to elaborate on how this comment could be improved or what they disagree with so vehemently that this merited downmodding.
Re: Web Starter Kit
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> After a little practice, it can even get easy. Just googling for "vertical align text css" should be enough to tell you that different layout is needed. Why shouldn't there be a layout model that makes it easy to do the things people are trying to do? The idea that we shouldn't even attempt to create a better one is silly.
#vertalign {height: 50%; position: absolute; top: 25%; } There you go. That CSS is useful for popup dialogs. Though most of the difficulties I see with vertical-alignment are due to poor design and implementation. HTML and CSS get new features all the time so clearly nobody is saying they shouldn't improve. It's people saying that "HTML is inherently broken so there should be something else but they don't know what"…
This requires #vertalign to have fixed height. You cannot have variable height (based on its own content) and also be vertical align.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed. I'm surprised that the whole Cassowary hasn't taken off. It's been around since '99. The fact that it hasn't is probably one of the worse is better 'typathingys'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassowary_(software) https://www.cs.washington.edu/research/constraints/web/ccss-...
drewda's comment below[1] is an example of a JS library that implements Cassowary in the browser. It's called Grid Style Sheets. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7917646
And it's awesome. Where I'm working we've embedded it into Node-WebKit for an app we're building ;)
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#118This somehow reminds me of Inception. We have a perfectly functional computer, then we run a browser on it, we download a bunch of HTML, which in turn will download a whole slew of JavaScript in order to create the illusion of an application running natively that offers a subset of what the computer could offer. The only difference is that this web application supposedly runs on 'all devices' except that every web ap…
You trade browser lock-in for OS lock-in. The original Internet Explorer strategy. Fundamentally it is a rent seeking strategy. When I noticed that Google was up to paying a billion dollars a quarter for traffic I realized that in some ways the gold leaf was falling off the piazza and revealing the the ugly plaster behind it. My guess is that the rent seeking here is in the form of directing search traffic in some wa…
Browser lock-in?
What makes you think web applications made with this kit work only in Chrome?
Re: Web Starter Kit
#119for newbies like me this is just to great, cross device webdev can be a nightmare or this just to good to be true?
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems like this is more of a workflow than just a framework. Zurb and bootstrap don't come with build tools as far as I know, whereas this includes a gulpfile and a bunch of other stuff that's very common in my workflow. This feels more yeoman-esque + generator to me. Edit: Totally posted this before I read 'Web Starter Kit is inspired by Mobile HTML5 Boilerplate and Yeoman's generator-gulp-webapp, having taken in…
Yeah. that is a very good summary. If you want build process and tooling to help then we have that based on the tools that we think are the best, however we don't force workflow on people if they don't want it.
Noticed Paul Irish is no longer active on H5BP, is he now on team Web Starter Kit or working on the broader Web Fundamentals?