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Web Starter Kit

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Re: Web Starter Kit

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Ironically the home page for it looks horrible in the latest version of Chrome under Windows.

Same here, with Firefox on Linux. The grid shows gaps like the web page is missing icons when you stretch the window width far enough.

For me (Chrome, Win7), the gaps are explained by "PageSpeed Insights Reporting" and "SASS Support" wrapping down to the next row for all but a small range of horizontal viewport widths.

Re: Web Starter Kit

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The web is now hamstrung by the HTML/CSS layout model more than anything else. The hackery required to attempt to imitate native mobile apps is horrific. Google would be better off throwing efforts into a new layout engine leveraging raw JS and WebGL, but with a sane API, than these continuous attempts to push HTML into places where it doesn't work. If they don't lead it I can see someone else doing it in such a way…

> The web is now hamstrung by the HTML/CSS layout model more than anything else Really? Because I find it far more intuitive and flexible than working with xibs, for instance.

Well, xibs solve a bit more complex issue.

Re: Web Starter Kit

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>If you are planning to do the same, spend time listing down all your UI elements and test whether the theme supports them.

This is all too important when evaluating a prefab Bootstrap theme. In the past when I have used Wrapbootstrap themes, I've been a few days in frustrated that something isn't working. Then when I dig into the asset files I realize that the theme was poorly written and I've been spinning my wheels for nothing. It's too bad so many themes look nice but simply aren't built the right way.

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post #14

Its interesting they are using GitHub instead of Google Code.

Google Code is great, but I personally love GitHub https://github.com/google https://github.com/googlechrome and so on.

Google Code has been languishing. You guys could really do some things with it to make it a competitor with Github and Bitbucket.

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> The web is now hamstrung by the HTML/CSS layout model more than anything else Really? Because I find it far more intuitive and flexible than working with xibs, for instance.

Well, xibs solve a bit more complex issue.

That being?

Re: Web Starter Kit

#36

The web is now hamstrung by the HTML/CSS layout model more than anything else. The hackery required to attempt to imitate native mobile apps is horrific. Google would be better off throwing efforts into a new layout engine leveraging raw JS and WebGL, but with a sane API, than these continuous attempts to push HTML into places where it doesn't work. If they don't lead it I can see someone else doing it in such a way…

Been following this project for awhile: http://www.nidium.com/ . Hopefully they launch soon cause I am curious to try it out.

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#37

The web is now hamstrung by the HTML/CSS layout model more than anything else. The hackery required to attempt to imitate native mobile apps is horrific. Google would be better off throwing efforts into a new layout engine leveraging raw JS and WebGL, but with a sane API, than these continuous attempts to push HTML into places where it doesn't work. If they don't lead it I can see someone else doing it in such a way…

I'm personally waiting for distributed Self objects. When we cut the document presentation mindset maybe ...

Re: Web Starter Kit

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More like html5boilerplate alternative.

I think this is a fair comparison. Right now we are not providing components like the ones you get in Zurb and Bootstrap. EDIT: clarified.

It seems like this is more of a workflow than just a framework. Zurb and bootstrap don't come with build tools as far as I know, whereas this includes a gulpfile and a bunch of other stuff that's very common in my workflow. This feels more yeoman-esque + generator to me.

Edit: Totally posted this before I read 'Web Starter Kit is inspired by Mobile HTML5 Boilerplate and Yeoman's generator-gulp-webapp, having taken input from contributors to both projects during development. Our FAQs attempt to answer commonly asked questions about the project.'

Re: Web Starter Kit

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@addy nice! so what's the goal here.Why would one use this over bootstrap/foundation/x css framework? Do you intend to integrate this with other frameworks you've written and other Google products like polymer/angularjs? My point is are you developping a coherent ecosystem or are they just independent tools? thanks.

I'll just reply because I know Addy is crazy busy. The goal is to give developers the education and tooling they need to do well out of the box by following all of our best practices straight away. In this case it can complement bootstrap and other frameworks because we are not building out a component library.

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Good question. We don't consider ourselves a Bootstrap competitor, but rather a combination of best practices and tooling when it comes to starting work on new multi-device/mobile web projects. Bootstrap, Zurb and similar libraries provide a great start for prototyping your apps, but one of the biggest challenges with them is that it’s (almost too) easy to get stuck using their styles, look and feel for the lifetime…

Is there any way to use the tooling independently of web starter kit? Wasn't able to find a link on the site, are they just warnings you see once you start developing? Can the tooling account for JS changes and navigation between pages? Sorry for the barrage of questions, just really hoping to find a decent tool to clean up CSS...

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