Ironically the home page for it looks horrible in the latest version of Chrome under Windows.
Same here, with Firefox on Linux. The grid shows gaps like the web page is missing icons when you stretch the window width far enough.
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#22The web is now hamstrung by the HTML/CSS layout model more than anything else. The hackery required to attempt to imitate native mobile apps is horrific. Google would be better off throwing efforts into a new layout engine leveraging raw JS and WebGL, but with a sane API, than these continuous attempts to push HTML into places where it doesn't work. If they don't lead it I can see someone else doing it in such a way…
On the Chrome team we're always looking at ways to better provide access to lower level primitives and machinery to enable you to do things like this. It's a multi-faceted problem however. If you have specific suggestions around alternative layout engines, discourse.specifiction.org is a great place to lay out your suggestions in more detail (not that HN isn't useful for this, but those interested in standards genera…
Android's layout structure could be an option. It is much easier to handle than HTML + CSS, IMHO.
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#23It seems the navigation disappears entirely when you shrink the window. I would think they would implement their "hamburger" icon?
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#24@addy nice!
so what's the goal here.Why would one use this over bootstrap/foundation/x css framework?
Do you intend to integrate this with other frameworks you've written and other Google products like polymer/angularjs? My point is are you developping a coherent ecosystem or are they just independent tools?
thanks.
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#25I wish I had this in my tool belt a few months ago when we began working on our web application. The core of our project can be reduced to something like web-starter-kit but we had to get there with many, many hours of hard-earned knowledge. I also like the leanness and cleanliness of web-starter-kit, it's really a nice collection of best-practices and pre-configured tools.
I will definitely incorporate some pieces into our existing project and use it as a base for our next ones.
Thanks guys!
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#26The web is now hamstrung by the HTML/CSS layout model more than anything else. The hackery required to attempt to imitate native mobile apps is horrific. Google would be better off throwing efforts into a new layout engine leveraging raw JS and WebGL, but with a sane API, than these continuous attempts to push HTML into places where it doesn't work. If they don't lead it I can see someone else doing it in such a way…
Indeed. I'm surprised that the whole Cassowary hasn't taken off. It's been around since '99. The fact that it hasn't is probably one of the worse is better 'typathingys'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassowary_(software) https://www.cs.washington.edu/research/constraints/web/ccss-...
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#27The web is now hamstrung by the HTML/CSS layout model more than anything else. The hackery required to attempt to imitate native mobile apps is horrific. Google would be better off throwing efforts into a new layout engine leveraging raw JS and WebGL, but with a sane API, than these continuous attempts to push HTML into places where it doesn't work. If they don't lead it I can see someone else doing it in such a way…
A partial bit of progress toward a better layout model: http://gridstylesheets.org/
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#28Twitter Bootstrap competitor?
Good question. We don't consider ourselves a Bootstrap competitor, but rather a combination of best practices and tooling when it comes to starting work on new multi-device/mobile web projects. Bootstrap, Zurb and similar libraries provide a great start for prototyping your apps, but one of the biggest challenges with them is that it’s (almost too) easy to get stuck using their styles, look and feel for the lifetime…
I'm curious about the cross device synchronization.
Can you provide further details on this and how it's useful when web apps can not keep devices awake (i.e. iOS8).
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good question. We don't consider ourselves a Bootstrap competitor, but rather a combination of best practices and tooling when it comes to starting work on new multi-device/mobile web projects. Bootstrap, Zurb and similar libraries provide a great start for prototyping your apps, but one of the biggest challenges with them is that it’s (almost too) easy to get stuck using their styles, look and feel for the lifetime…
Is there any way to use the tooling independently of web starter kit? Wasn't able to find a link on the site, are they just warnings you see once you start developing? Can the tooling account for JS changes and navigation between pages? Sorry for the barrage of questions, just really hoping to find a decent tool to clean up CSS...
If it's just cleaning up CSS you're after, I would use UnCSS. Checkout grunt-uncss task or gulp-uncss to hook it up to your build process. We don't currently document using the tooling independent of the kit, but you should be able to pluck the package.json and gulpfile.js and edit per your needs. We'll try to get this documented.
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#30Twitter Bootstrap competitor?
Good question. We don't consider ourselves a Bootstrap competitor, but rather a combination of best practices and tooling when it comes to starting work on new multi-device/mobile web projects. Bootstrap, Zurb and similar libraries provide a great start for prototyping your apps, but one of the biggest challenges with them is that it’s (almost too) easy to get stuck using their styles, look and feel for the lifetime…
"it’s (almost too) easy to get stuck using their styles, look and feel for the lifetime of your application"
I'm a developer, and I've never used Bootstrap in my life, but my favorite aspect of Bootstrap is how it brings a sense of familiarity to the web. Why does every website need a unique look and feel? I'd rather not learn a new navigation or layout a hundred times each day. The internet is primarily about content, and Google should know that more than anyone. However, everyone tries to reinvent the wheel, and when I come across a Bootstrap site, it's somewhat comforting.
Don't get me wrong, creativity is important to some sites, and others are required to go outside of the box to reach their goals. However, they're the minority.