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Re: Facebook was down

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Post by jacquesm » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 9:36 AM UTC

V-2 wrote: post #239

grey-area wrote: post #195

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This is just one of the reasons you shouldn't build your business on someone else's platform - others include the possibility that they'll charge you for the service later, cut you out of a relationship with your own customers, shut you down for their own reasons, require you to use their services like a store to the exclusion of all others, copy your idea and crush you by giving it away for free, squeeze your margin…

"copy your idea and crush you by giving it away for free" - this is a possibility no matter what you do

Sure, but by giving them your users log-ins you are telling them how popular you are so they can sit back and wait until you reach a certain threshold or velocity. Why give a would-be competitor extra information?

Re: Facebook was down

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Post by jacquesm » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 9:37 AM UTC

rodgerd wrote: post #113

nostromo wrote: post #40

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Yes. OAuth dialogs don't load and the graph API is down too.

"Why write your own login? Just use Facebook!" is not looking like sound advice right about now.

Apologies, I missed the 'upvote' and hit the 'downvote' instead.

Re: Facebook was down

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Post by k-mcgrady » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 9:41 AM UTC

syf81 wrote: post #213

Definitely news worthy, pretty much like a 'first post!' post.

One of the most popular websites in the world (that over 1/7th of the worlds population use) going down is newsworthy.

Re: Facebook was down

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Post by _up » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 9:42 AM UTC

sbntn wrote: post #223

Gonzih wrote: post #210

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wat?

The don't actually delete your posts, they mark them as deleted. If the government requests your data they get to see everything, even those posts you decided to delete.

Also posts you didn't send. They register every keystroke too!

Re: Facebook was down

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Post by waterhouse » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 9:44 AM UTC

feider wrote: post #236

jacquesm wrote: post #225

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So now you're down when you make a mistake and when facebook makes a mistake.

there is a bug in your logic. Correct operator is "or".

In this case "and" means "in addition to". "when you make a mistake" describes one set of situations, "when facebook makes a mistake" describes another set, and the "and" acts as a union operator. Nothing illogical here, though you might argue that English is ambiguous.

Re: Facebook was down

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Post by grahamel » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 9:44 AM UTC

The statement most news sites are reporting is:

“Earlier this morning, we experienced an issue that prevented people from posting to Facebook for a brief period of time. We resolved the issue quickly, and we are now back to 100%. We're sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused,”

Re: Facebook was down

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Post by mjburgess » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 9:53 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #224

mjburgess wrote: post #215

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What are you talking about? Everyone has to depend on some infrastruture to provide their service. I'd imagine pretty much every hosting platform (from amazon to dreamhost) has less reliability than facebook.

Sure, but the more external components you tie in to the bigger the chance that one of them will be down. So you try to keep such dependencies to an absolute minimum otherwise you end up with the joint downtime of all those services.

No, that's not how risk works. Centralization of services to a single platform is more risky.

Re: Facebook was down

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Post by 3rd3 » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 9:58 AM UTC

acesubido wrote: post #67

This is a very interesting event for the world: on a rough estimate, almost half a billion people are displaced right now. Where are all those man-minutes going to, now that facebook is down and they're not facing that iconic blue header bar on their browser? The downtime will surely end and it'll be back up again for sure, facebook has very smart people behind it, but this event will have served as a very interestin…

We'll probably see a peak in birth rate in 9 months.

Re: Facebook was down

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Post by _up » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 9:59 AM UTC

nissehulth wrote: post #144

Maybe they are trying out their new switches. http://gigaom.com/2014/06/18/facebook-has-built-its-own-swit...

Haha, i thought the same. But could also be the NSA sending a message to not publish this. I mean the NSA needs other Service Providers to use the closed source backdoor infested stuff.

Re: Facebook was down

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Post by theop » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 10:04 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #225

cpayne wrote: post #198

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I can tell you my website goes down far more frequently (my fault) than Facebook's does

So now you're down when you make a mistake and when facebook makes a mistake.

Even if I don't know you I fell pretty confident that is more probable that you are messing up with the login than FB. So the changes of a downtime are lower. The business value it's another topic...