'Fire' Phone? seriously? That would have sounded better if was by Mozilla.
Amazon Fire Phone
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#382Unfortunately that thing looks terrible. Looks like a generic iphone with ugly android wrapper. They really need something flashy to somehow pull it over rather than have any new features. Afterall smartphones are still status symbols for a couple more years.
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#383Nice Amazon affiliate link
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#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
You make a good point: Apple: Sell at high price, modest tie-in revenue. Google: Sell at low price, modest tie-in revenue. Amazon: Sell at low price, high tie-in revenue. It does seem like Amazon is bound to win in the long run, based on pure economics, if this trend continues.
I wonder how this relates to IBM of old which had a business model that amounted to "Sell at high price, high tie-in revenue." It didn't work out so well for them (at least for their PC business), turned out that people didn't really want to be "tied"-in.
Given the PC business was already commoditizing (because of IBM's insane reliance on Microsoft without the proper contract to prevent what happened), the high price sale couldn't compete as well against lower priced products.
Plus most of their sales were B2B where brand loyalty means little for commodity products, esp. given the high tie-in strategy.
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#385Good show by Amazon. The "gimmick" poised to be a sure hit in Asian, African and European markets.
Anything that competes with Apple, Samsung, Google is by default good. There is definitely space in the market for a phone like this. Amazon phones set to sell much more than Amazon tablets.
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#386The market positioning here seems very un-Amazon. "Your margin is my opportunity" is probably my favorite Bezosism. Given that perspective and Apple's very cushy margins, I expected Amazon not to approach the market with an expensive phone packed with new features, but to approach the market from the bottom, with a good phone that is free or nearly free. The problem, of course, is that Google seems to have that segme…
I think Amazon are taking the "learn as you go down market" approach exemplified by Tesla. This is the pilot model, which enables Amazon to earn revenue fast and capture early adopter surplus. We'll soon see a cheaper model with the more lavish and underused features trimmed, and other features much improved thanks to real world testing of the first model.
Is applying the Tesla business model applicable in a case where the product doesn't cause you to salivate?
Seems for each interested buyer, I see ten who are more like "meh". Perhaps a rigorous demo of the phone's features would highlight it's "must-have" features.
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#387What's with the negativity? If I lived in the US I would buy it immediately.
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#389The market positioning here seems very un-Amazon. "Your margin is my opportunity" is probably my favorite Bezosism. Given that perspective and Apple's very cushy margins, I expected Amazon not to approach the market with an expensive phone packed with new features, but to approach the market from the bottom, with a good phone that is free or nearly free. The problem, of course, is that Google seems to have that segme…
This is interesting I think... iPad: Kindle Fire, Nexus 7 Apple TV: Kindle Fire TV, Chromecast iTunes: Amazon Prime Streaming TV + now music, Google Play iPhone: Kindle Fire Phone, Nexus 4 I think they're all playing for the same territory. The big difference seems to be that Apple really only sells the technology. Google sells the technology so that they can sell advertising for third party products. Amazon has the…
> Amazon has the only complete end to end solution where they sell you the products and advertise for their own "other stuff" they sell. IMHO Amazon is going to be the big winner in the long run.
I think you are vastly under-estimating Apple's dominant position in the fastest-growing and most profitable category of "selling other stuff": digital content. Itunes is on track to $30 billion revenue this year with huge yearly growth several years in a row. That is almost half of all Amazon revenue combined! And presumably with vastly better margins, too.
In the next decades people will spend more and more on digital goods (Apple's turf), at the expense of physical goods (Amazon's turf). Amazon will do anything to avoid being leapfrogged that way. They have a very strong cloud infrastructure story, obviously, and are playing decent catch-up in many other areas, but in the grand scheme of things they are very far from the guaranteed winners.
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#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm taking the opposite stance, this is a stupid gimmick until proven otherwise. Scrolling with my finger can happen on the very edge of the screen or area of interaction and it's easy to move out of viewing obstruction. Tilt-based interaction has existed for years on iOS and Android using the accelerometers. It's not a responsiveness or tracking issue, it's that interacting with screens at oblique angles is annoying…
> this is a stupid gimmick until proven otherwise I actually agree with you, I'm just saying "Hold on guys, a rational argument can at least be made that this isn't just a stupid gimmick" ...but we have to try the device to know for sure...
Or we can stay with the devices we have now.