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Re: Penny Arcade – Surface Pro 3 update

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Post by quink »

vertex-four wrote: post #231
jimmaswell wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ribbon bar made it more usable? I just found it annoying. Word 2003 still seems like the best form factor to me.

It did. I couldn't find anything before the ribbon bar, frankly, and using tools took significantly more time because I had to search for them in overly long menus, or even submenus. Now they're mostly laid out directly in front of me, logically and visually ordered. I don't feel that menus are a good UI to anything. It would seem that most UX people now agree with me, as traditional menu bars have been de-emphasised…

Don't you know that change frightens and confuses people?

For anyone for who changes do just that, check this out, which I think is the most impressive example of data-driven UI design ever documented even remotely this well: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/table-of-...

I love the ribbon. If you don't, try one of two things. One, try double-clicking on one of the headers - it'll make the ribbon hide unless you click it. This makes it effectively work like the old menus, except more horizontal and graphical instead of vertical.

The second is to scroll your mouse wheel while hovering over the ribbon.

Re: Penny Arcade – Surface Pro 3 update

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Post by jodrellblank »

jtuente wrote: post #131

TBH, as soon as I saw the change from a Wacom digitizer to N-Trig's I cringed. I don't know what differences there are between the technologies they each use, but Wacom's is definitely more responsive on the whole. I like that they aren't using a 16:9 aspect ratio for the screen, but the switch away from Wacom kept me from making the Surface an automatic purchase.

Did you see http://surfaceproartist.com/blog/2014/5/27/microsoft-address... ?

Re: Penny Arcade – Surface Pro 3 update

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Post by steele »

stcredzero wrote: post #227
steele wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh just put it back in the deck. The relevancy is that the knock-offs aren't bad, considering the patent situation, and [geographic region] knock-off doesn't make sense to specify when the original is from that region and the competing products are largely not made by companies based in Asia (Nokia, Logitech, Livescribe, etc). Incidentally, the competing digitizers are quite the value if you can get over the extra ba…

Oh just put it back in the deck. Someone reading this who has a brain can easily figure out that you got it out in the first place. I was only talking about geographic and economic circumstances. If you actively declare your ethnicity while throwing around accusations of race-baiting whenever someone highlights your baseless brand affinity, Whatever. I was giving you a chance to "put the card back" but you blundered…

Since you're interested in "anyone reading this thread" and you're doggedly attached to leaving the race card at play, logout and take a gander at the color of your replies. If anything, it's clear that "asian knock-off" is 6 additional keypresses to "knock-off", so the only shorthand opportunities I see is to indicate that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Set-precision is unnecessary when the core issue is with reading comprehension and ghost-chasing. You completely missed my point that knock-offs, Asian and otherwise aren't bad; this was in the original reply and subsequent replies. By brand related evidence do you mean my anecdotes about having used wacoms? I figured additional context would help since I had previous addressed the quality of competing products, which you decided to ignore in favor of declaring your ethnicity and assorted other warblgarbl.

I don't believe "anyone reading this thread" would find race-baiting in my questions: "who are the hackers?" and "which knock-off tablet and digitizers have you used?"

Do you really consider announcing your ethnicity as an argument of authority to legitimize your blanket use of "asian knock-off" as calling me out for a race-baiting question? ha.

What you're interpreting as being upset is responding to your nonsense with due diligence to clarify my points (a) the inexpensive knock-offs aren't bad (b) the knock-offs aren't all Asian (c) however, wacom products are indeed Asian.

And let's all just forget your bizarro use of the word hackers for wacom or Microsoft employees. Guess that's what's cool these days; inform recruiting!

Re: Penny Arcade – Surface Pro 3 update

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Post by microtherion »

GodEater wrote: post #20

It's great to read that Gabe has had such a positive experience with a Microsoft product team - but it seems pretty obvious to me that it's because he's a somebody. His posts on penny-arcade reach an enormous audience, and so of course they're going to do their damn best to make sure he sings the product's praises. My experience is very different. I've been working for an enormous organisation for the last 4 years, a…

> It's great to read that Gabe has had such a positive experience with a Microsoft product team - but it seems pretty obvious to me that it's because he's a somebody.

Yes, the article had a bit of a Chaos Manor feel to it.

Re: Penny Arcade – Surface Pro 3 update

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Post by jimmaswell »

quink wrote: post #251
vertex-four wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It did. I couldn't find anything before the ribbon bar, frankly, and using tools took significantly more time because I had to search for them in overly long menus, or even submenus. Now they're mostly laid out directly in front of me, logically and visually ordered. I don't feel that menus are a good UI to anything. It would seem that most UX people now agree with me, as traditional menu bars have been de-emphasised…

Don't you know that change frightens and confuses people? For anyone for who changes do just that, check this out, which I think is the most impressive example of data-driven UI design ever documented even remotely this well: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/table-of-... I love the ribbon. If you don't, try one of two things. One, try double-clicking on one of the headers - it'll make the ribbon hid…

Change does frighten and confuse people which is why the principle of least surprise is part of the human interface guidelines, but nobody seems to care about that anymore.

Re: Penny Arcade – Surface Pro 3 update

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Post by jimmaswell »

vertex-four wrote: post #231
jimmaswell wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ribbon bar made it more usable? I just found it annoying. Word 2003 still seems like the best form factor to me.

It did. I couldn't find anything before the ribbon bar, frankly, and using tools took significantly more time because I had to search for them in overly long menus, or even submenus. Now they're mostly laid out directly in front of me, logically and visually ordered. I don't feel that menus are a good UI to anything. It would seem that most UX people now agree with me, as traditional menu bars have been de-emphasised…

I don't know if I'd really say it's worse, except for that it breaks the standard expectation and user interfaces are supposed to follow a uniform design on one environment, but it's a change and I prefer interfaces not to change.
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