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Re: New Entry Level 21.5-inch iMac

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>1.4 GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor with Turbo Boost Speeds up to 2.7 GHz, Intel HD 5000 graphics, 8GB of memory and a 500GB hard drive. Eh.. I got similar specs in laptop form for about half the price on black Friday last year. I'd like to get something like this for a desktop but I'm afraid my Ubuntu might have some issues on the hardware. I'll wait until I find it slightly used for half the cost. On a side…

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Re: New Entry Level 21.5-inch iMac

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I was going to say, I can get a really nice laptop at Costco with better specs for about 30-40% less and better specs all around, and a touch screen. In fact, I can get an all in one with much better specs for less. http://www.costco.com/.product.100115209.html?cm_sp=RichRele... Other than the crap specs, it's really hard to buy into the idea that this is "entry level" when it's selling at a mid-level price. This sho…

Geeks tend to forget that there is more to a computer than raw numbers. Design, noise, materials, software (try getting that inspiron with apps like garageband, imove, pages and numbers for less than $1099), support (walk into the apple store and someone's there to help) and general ecosystem (time machine, app store, UNIX foundation (no real viruses)).

  > Geeks tend to forget that there is more to a 
  > computer than raw numbers.
It's especially funny on a forum like this, where most people are programmers or are otherwise involved with the software industry.

It's like... come on, people. You make software for a living. Way to devalue your own craft!

Re: New Entry Level 21.5-inch iMac

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1.4ghz core speed and no SSD? For me, and most people, this isn't closing any gap. Edit: Core speed is actually 0.3ghz lower than I thought...

The Turbo Boost clock speed is only around 15% lower than the other iMacs, though (2.7 GHz vs 3.2 GHz). It looks like the same processor as the MacBook Air. The bigger problem is probably memory--only 8GB, soldered to the board, and no option for more, even at time of purchase. Could be worse, though. With Mavericks, 8GB is about the minimum configuration for "normal people" tasks.

Mavericks works fine on my 2011 11" MBA with 4GB Ram. I don't use this machine for work, but it's still fine for everything else.

Re: New Entry Level 21.5-inch iMac

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I already have 3 SSDs floating around that I know are good (Samsung 840 Pro). I wouldn't want to kick out for another 256Gb SSD when I already have one. Not only that, those fusion drives are terribly unreliable from experience. Regardless of that, that process is HELL compared to another machine. The thing I'm typing this on now (Lenovo T400) requires any old screwdriver you have lying around and 2 mins. 1960s point…

I wouldn't want to kick out for another 256Gb SSD when I already have one. All current Macs[1] currently use PCIe SSD drives, which are not interchangeable with SATA SSD drives. They are, however, around 10x faster than SATA SSD drives, which is something people never seem to mention when comparing 'specs'. [1] with the exception of the 13-inch non-Retina MBP, which is presumably being phased out.

It doesn't make any difference for me. Getting crap into RAM the first time is all I care about rather than sustained transfer.

Re: New Entry Level 21.5-inch iMac

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Right, and that transition happened last decade, not this one... Perhaps I was too specific with the 1080p mention.

There was certainly a transition from 5:4 to widescreen displays in the 2000s, with nearly everyone but Apple opting for 16:9. I don't recall any mass adoption of 16:10 followed by a mass migration to 16:9 in the last decade, which is what you're stating happened. If Apple is moving from 16:10 to 16:9, then that would indeed be a very recent development. If this is the case, it would be kind of sad to me (I prefer a…

> I don't recall any mass adoption of 16:10 followed by a mass migration to 16:9 in the last decade, which is what you're stating happened.

I don't quite agree with what you're stating I'm stating. (I realize that this has gone on way longer than the original reply warranted, but...)

User teh_klev said that they were sad that 1080p "was becoming" the norm on medium sized panels, and that 1920x1200 wasn't becoming the norm, instead.

I replied that the transition to 1080p had already occurred, some time ago. I don't believe that either teh_klev or I implied that there was mass adoption of 1920x1200 (16:10), only that teh_klev would have preferred that there have been such a mass adoption, and I was suggesting that that preference (which I share, though I didn't mention it[1]) became moot last decade.

[1] though it turns out that if the screen is large enough and the resolution high enough, I no longer care about the precise aspect ratio...

Re: New Entry Level 21.5-inch iMac

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I wouldn't want to kick out for another 256Gb SSD when I already have one. All current Macs[1] currently use PCIe SSD drives, which are not interchangeable with SATA SSD drives. They are, however, around 10x faster than SATA SSD drives, which is something people never seem to mention when comparing 'specs'. [1] with the exception of the 13-inch non-Retina MBP, which is presumably being phased out.

It doesn't make any difference for me. Getting crap into RAM the first time is all I care about rather than sustained transfer.

10x faster is 10x faster, regardless of the size of the data you're moving.

There's a reason that Macbook Air reviews report that it's shocking fast and snappy for such a (relatively) underpowered machine.

Re: New Entry Level 21.5-inch iMac

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In my experience of looking for an all-in-one: if you want apple-quality but from any other manufacturer, be prepared to actually spend more money than you would on an iMac. Obviously with an iMac you are not getting a touchscreen that is standard on every other AiO,but I can't say I would use such feature.

Could you elaborate a little on why you're looking for an AiO computer? I've always seen them as overpriced, underpowered computers for people who don't really want a computer. I don't know why anyone on HN would be in the market for one.

Not for myself,but for my mother. She has a tiny tiny desk and she HATES cables, so I suggested an All-in-one would actually be a nice device for her, and she really likes the idea. I wouldn't buy one ever,but I am not the target demographic.

Re: New Entry Level 21.5-inch iMac

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having just bought the $1299 model last year, glad to see they're trying to offer a cheaper model. Lowest used to be $1199 a few years back - another $100 to $1299 (essentially $1400 with tax) was a big hit to take. Yes, $200 is just $200 - these new $1099 ones aren't free , but... this may make the difference between someone getting a new one vs not. 1.4ghz seems awfully slow, but... I suspect for a lot of what many…

What's your opinion of using this for a kids' first computer? (Let's set aside the "toy" computers sold at Christmas). I'm assuming it's more than adequate for most things. Won't be used for video-encoding, playing hardcore games, etc. Literally for the family which means very simple needs. Is 1.4ghz really that slow? Really??!!

Re: New Entry Level 21.5-inch iMac

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Calling something illegal is usually reserved for things that are in the criminal code. There is no law against running Mac OS X on non-Apple computers. No one will be going to jail. Nothing will happen. You don't even have to feel bad. Apple would have to sue in civil court and would have to prove damages. They would not be able to prove damages.

It would make more sense if you said "calling something a crime is...". I disagree with this comment due to the level of colloquial discussion. Illegal is (colloquially) whatever you can't do because of the law. (Just about the only exception is a contract, which you might be forced to follow because of the law, but we don't view as part of the law in a colloquial sense.) Regarding "nothing will happen, you don't eve…

This is a contract question, specifically the End User License Agreement. It is not a case of innocent until proven guilty. It is innocence because there is no guilt. Civil courts do not determine guilt. Civil procedure is concerned with establishing damages. This isn't just semantics. This is the entire definition of what these words mean.

In the case of running Mac OS X on a non-Apple computer, Apple is not wronged. Where are the damages? What has Apple lost? Apple has lost nothing.

Running Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware damages Apple as much as putting on a Harry Potter puppet show at a children's library damages JK Rowling. Zero. It just makes people more interested in Apple hardware and JK Rowling books and movies respectively.

If Apple can find you, they can send you a cease and desist letter. That is the most action they can take. Likewise for JK Rowling shutting down a puppet show using characters she created.

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