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YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by jrockway »

[deleted] wrote: post #15
k-mcgrady wrote: post #10

Every time I read about this I still can't believe Google is creating this service. Why do they need to create two of everything? They have Android and Chrome OS. Their was Wave, Buzz, Google Plus. I have separate Google Plus tied to my personal and business accounts and there is no way to resolve it. Now they have Google Play Music, Google Play Music downloads, and they're creating a new separate YouTube streaming s…

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Is Chromecast anything like Google TV? Google TV is more like a Smart TV in an external box (or indeed integrated with Smart TVs); it takes your cable/satellite as input and provides features to go with that. Chromecast is more like Miracast; you tell it where some content is and it displays that on your TV.

They seem like they are the same thing, but are actually different.

Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by davehur »

falcolas wrote: post #20
davehur wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't. The videos aren't being "blocked", youtube simply won't have the license to show them anymore. These "indie labels" are trying to extract higher rates from free streaming by holding out on the paid service. The real issue here is the guardian publishing the labels' PR as is.

The statement "youtube simply won't have the license to show them anymore" reads drastically different from "His confirmation that YouTube will block videos from labels that do not sign licensing deals for the new premium tier" What is your source for the first - i.e. where are artists revoking YouTube's license to display their videos?

They are quoting one side of the negotiation that is trying to pressure youtube for better terms, "blocking" is their spin for youtube not agreeing to licence their videos for a higher rate thus resulting in them being taken down.

Youtube can't simply just take down videos that are legal and fully owned by their willing uploader.

What is happening here isn't youtube taking down the music of 'individuals' that have uploaded them to their channels, youtube licences these videos from these labels, once the licensing isn't applicable they no longer have the legal right to publish them, thus "blocking" them.

Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by falcolas »

davehur wrote: post #22
falcolas wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The statement "youtube simply won't have the license to show them anymore" reads drastically different from "His confirmation that YouTube will block videos from labels that do not sign licensing deals for the new premium tier" What is your source for the first - i.e. where are artists revoking YouTube's license to display their videos?

They are quoting one side of the negotiation that is trying to pressure youtube for better terms, "blocking" is their spin for youtube not agreeing to licence their videos for a higher rate thus resulting in them being taken down. Youtube can't simply just take down videos that are legal and fully owned by their willing uploader. What is happening here isn't youtube taking down the music of 'individuals' that have up…

> "Blocking" is their spin for youtube not agreeing to licence their videos for a higher rate thus resulting in them being taken down.

End difference for consumer? None. Plus, you still haven't cited any sources, just speculation based off an admittedly single-sourced article.

> Youtube can't simply just take down videos that are legal and fully owned by their willing uploader.

Sure they can. And they do, all the time. Content Protection has nothing to do with the legality of the video. Part of the uploading EULA is that it's up to Google to decide when something goes up or comes down.

Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by NotAtWork »

davehur wrote: post #22
falcolas wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The statement "youtube simply won't have the license to show them anymore" reads drastically different from "His confirmation that YouTube will block videos from labels that do not sign licensing deals for the new premium tier" What is your source for the first - i.e. where are artists revoking YouTube's license to display their videos?

They are quoting one side of the negotiation that is trying to pressure youtube for better terms, "blocking" is their spin for youtube not agreeing to licence their videos for a higher rate thus resulting in them being taken down. Youtube can't simply just take down videos that are legal and fully owned by their willing uploader. What is happening here isn't youtube taking down the music of 'individuals' that have up…

> Youtube can't simply just take down videos that are legal and fully owned by their willing uploader.

Why do you think YouTube isn't allowed to arbitrarily take down videos?

Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by davehur »

falcolas wrote: post #23
davehur wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are quoting one side of the negotiation that is trying to pressure youtube for better terms, "blocking" is their spin for youtube not agreeing to licence their videos for a higher rate thus resulting in them being taken down. Youtube can't simply just take down videos that are legal and fully owned by their willing uploader. What is happening here isn't youtube taking down the music of 'individuals' that have up…

> "Blocking" is their spin for youtube not agreeing to licence their videos for a higher rate thus resulting in them being taken down. End difference for consumer? None. Plus, you still haven't cited any sources, just speculation based off an admittedly single-sourced article. > Youtube can't simply just take down videos that are legal and fully owned by their willing uploader. Sure they can. And they do, all the tim…

Youtube doesn't have a "EULA" they have a "TOS", and if the uploaded content is legal and doesn't infringe on copyright it stays up.

Any allegations to the contrary would require proof on your part.

Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by CamperBob2 »

davehur wrote: post #22
falcolas wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The statement "youtube simply won't have the license to show them anymore" reads drastically different from "His confirmation that YouTube will block videos from labels that do not sign licensing deals for the new premium tier" What is your source for the first - i.e. where are artists revoking YouTube's license to display their videos?

They are quoting one side of the negotiation that is trying to pressure youtube for better terms, "blocking" is their spin for youtube not agreeing to licence their videos for a higher rate thus resulting in them being taken down. Youtube can't simply just take down videos that are legal and fully owned by their willing uploader. What is happening here isn't youtube taking down the music of 'individuals' that have up…

Youtube can't simply just take down videos that are legal and fully owned by their willing uploader.

Well, of course they can. Read the terms of service.

Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by Nickoladze »

tibbon wrote: post #8
spingsprong wrote: post #2

Will somebody here please make a video hosting website to replace YouTube.

Vimeo's there, but its even more curated/niche. I've always liked it more, but it hasn't had the same massive growth/traction (and to a degree I think they want it to stay that way). Year ago many people tried to make other sites (Viddler, Blip, etc) but most/all of those folded for various reasons. I do wonder if someone today could do better...

Isn't Vimeo intended for just original content? All the video game "Let's Play"s and such can't be moved over.

Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by spankalee »

[deleted] wrote: post #15
k-mcgrady wrote: post #10

Every time I read about this I still can't believe Google is creating this service. Why do they need to create two of everything? They have Android and Chrome OS. Their was Wave, Buzz, Google Plus. I have separate Google Plus tied to my personal and business accounts and there is no way to resolve it. Now they have Google Play Music, Google Play Music downloads, and they're creating a new separate YouTube streaming s…

[deleted]

That bit of info you have is just wrong.
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