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YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by pjc50 »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #10

Every time I read about this I still can't believe Google is creating this service. Why do they need to create two of everything? They have Android and Chrome OS. Their was Wave, Buzz, Google Plus. I have separate Google Plus tied to my personal and business accounts and there is no way to resolve it. Now they have Google Play Music, Google Play Music downloads, and they're creating a new separate YouTube streaming s…

It's not so much about having two of anything as eliminating non-Google space.

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tehwebguy wrote: post #7

This is super weird, I'm under the impression that music generates much higher ad rates than most content on YouTube. Wouldn't eliminating ads be sort of shooting themselves in the foot, even against a subscription fee? Maybe they see the other streaming services replacing them in the near future.

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Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by k-mcgrady »

>> "WIN claims that the company has signed lucrative licensing deals with major labels Universal, Warner and Sony, while demanding that independent labels sign up to inferior terms or face having their videos blocked from YouTube's free service."

I hope this isn't true but it wouldn't surprise me. Creators of services that allow music to be accessed for free/very cheap always talk about how it's great for independents while simultaneously offering the majors better deals and screwing over the little guy.

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Post by k-mcgrady »

spingsprong wrote: post #2

Will somebody here please make a video hosting website to replace YouTube.

I've considered moving everything to Vimeo before. The problem is that YouTube has vitality built in. If you don't have an audience you need YouTube.

Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by [deleted] »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #10

Every time I read about this I still can't believe Google is creating this service. Why do they need to create two of everything? They have Android and Chrome OS. Their was Wave, Buzz, Google Plus. I have separate Google Plus tied to my personal and business accounts and there is no way to resolve it. Now they have Google Play Music, Google Play Music downloads, and they're creating a new separate YouTube streaming s…

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Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by davehur »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #13

>> "WIN claims that the company has signed lucrative licensing deals with major labels Universal, Warner and Sony, while demanding that independent labels sign up to inferior terms or face having their videos blocked from YouTube's free service." I hope this isn't true but it wouldn't surprise me. Creators of services that allow music to be accessed for free/very cheap always talk about how it's great for independent…

It isn't. The videos aren't being "blocked", youtube simply won't have the license to show them anymore. These "indie labels" are trying to extract higher rates from free streaming by holding out on the paid service.

The real issue here is the guardian publishing the labels' PR as is.

Re: YouTube to block indie labels who don't sign up to new music service

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Post by davehur »

tehwebguy wrote: post #7

This is super weird, I'm under the impression that music generates much higher ad rates than most content on YouTube. Wouldn't eliminating ads be sort of shooting themselves in the foot, even against a subscription fee? Maybe they see the other streaming services replacing them in the near future.

These videos aren't being blocked, it's just that youtube will no longer have the license to show them, because those indie labels are holding for a better deal.

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Post by JackpotDen »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #10

Every time I read about this I still can't believe Google is creating this service. Why do they need to create two of everything? They have Android and Chrome OS. Their was Wave, Buzz, Google Plus. I have separate Google Plus tied to my personal and business accounts and there is no way to resolve it. Now they have Google Play Music, Google Play Music downloads, and they're creating a new separate YouTube streaming s…

Maybe they're the deadly duplicator.

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Post by falcolas »

davehur wrote: post #16
k-mcgrady wrote: post #13

>> "WIN claims that the company has signed lucrative licensing deals with major labels Universal, Warner and Sony, while demanding that independent labels sign up to inferior terms or face having their videos blocked from YouTube's free service." I hope this isn't true but it wouldn't surprise me. Creators of services that allow music to be accessed for free/very cheap always talk about how it's great for independent…

It isn't. The videos aren't being "blocked", youtube simply won't have the license to show them anymore. These "indie labels" are trying to extract higher rates from free streaming by holding out on the paid service. The real issue here is the guardian publishing the labels' PR as is.

The statement "youtube simply won't have the license to show them anymore" reads drastically different from "His confirmation that YouTube will block videos from labels that do not sign licensing deals for the new premium tier"

What is your source for the first - i.e. where are artists revoking YouTube's license to display their videos?

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