I would request that Mr. Andreessen ensure that the companies that he invests in are transparent & ethical with their interactions, particularly with the US Government. Drones can be a wonderful tool to empower us. They can also be a powerful tool to enslave us. Skynet anyone? Some sort of effective regulation is probably necessary. Not the kind of regulation involving a former/future Drone Manufacturing executive/lo…
Marc Andreessen: Turn Detroit Into Drone Valley
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#22Why drone valley and not autonomous vehicle valley? Seems more prime for the motor city. Not to mention, Detroit already has some large neighborhoods that are mostly vacant and the roads could be shifted over to test grounds for the autonomous vehicles. Michigan endures extremes in all four seasons, as compared to Santa Clara County which has pretty moderate weather year round. But I don't think Marc was specifically…
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#23The author forgot that one of the impetus for Silicon Valley becoming what it is in an influx of government money.
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#25http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20140330/NEWS/303309969...
Giving them a large area to test would give the city a huge advantage over the rest of the US and I believe drive more drone companies to relocate in Detroit where they would find cheap real estate and an abundance of engineering talent.
I think Mark Andreesen undoubtedly knows this and that is why he picked Detroit for his example.
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#26>Provide incentives to attract scientists, firms and users; > Establish a favorable business environment and regulations. > Except … this approach to innovation clusters hasn’t really worked. Some have even dismissed these government-driven efforts as “modern-day snake oil.” I would argue that such an approach has never actually been attempted only lip service has been paid. The types of solutions you describe above…
Las Vegas is big because of the gambling money, not tax structure. Compare to the rest of the state.
In my opinion it's not a terrible choice of a place to launch a startup either because you could poach employees away from both the Bay Area and LA job markets by showing them what kind of spacious luxury highrise accommodations they could be enjoying for similar money to what they spend on their 600square foot rental in the City. The fact that they'd pay no state income taxes just makes the job offer all the more enticing. I suspect there's going to be more of this kind of thing going on in the future especially as Zappos continues to invest significant funds into renovation of certain districts.
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#27I wonder if he picked Robocop city on purpose.
The prophecy must be fulfilled. Joking aside, the reasoning behind choosing Detroit in real life isn't much different than OCP choosing it in the movies. The city's broke, has crime problems, and you sell people on the idea of bringing it back to it's former glory.
No, that will interfere with the fulfillment of the other prophecies.
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#28Why drone valley and not autonomous vehicle valley? Seems more prime for the motor city. Not to mention, Detroit already has some large neighborhoods that are mostly vacant and the roads could be shifted over to test grounds for the autonomous vehicles. Michigan endures extremes in all four seasons, as compared to Santa Clara County which has pretty moderate weather year round. But I don't think Marc was specifically…
Except no one has figured out how to drive in the snow or even heavy rain. Moving self-driving cars to Detroit won't magically fix that. I imagine we're a breakthrough or two away in computer vision processing and fuzzy logic/AI to crack that nut.
While I fully appreciate the self-driving car and have watched more than a couple videos on how they work, they all require the ability to see things like lines painted on the road, a decent distance ahead, etc. What happens when heavy snow comes down and driving is less a deterministic act of following lines and crossing intersections and more of a poorly thought out social contract involving every driver's idea of what workable chaos looks like? What happens when your visibility is terrible? What happens when veterans know what roads to avoid and which to take but the GPS-based self-driving car goes the cheapst/most logical way? What happens when you're at an intersection that's out or the lights are covered in snow and everyone is stopped honking at one another? Or a car is stuck in the middle of the intersection? Do you dumbly drive through or avoid that route because its not plowed correctly or plowed at all?
As a Chicagoan, I know driving in the snow is a bitch. The success stories of the self-driving car will come from places like Santa Clara for the foreseeable future. We're just not there yet and Detroit can't help us, nor can we help it.
>I do think Marc is right in that specialization is the key.
Uh, we tried that in Detroit. Regular cars. Didn't work out too well. I think Andreeson suffers from the ivory tower economist disease. He's out of touch outside of his domain. He just points fingers at things and acts like this is all a simple command economy, "Do this there! Do that here!" Life tends to be more complex than that.
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#29Why drone valley and not autonomous vehicle valley? Seems more prime for the motor city. Not to mention, Detroit already has some large neighborhoods that are mostly vacant and the roads could be shifted over to test grounds for the autonomous vehicles. Michigan endures extremes in all four seasons, as compared to Santa Clara County which has pretty moderate weather year round. But I don't think Marc was specifically…
>Santa Clara County which has pretty moderate weather year round. Except no one has figured out how to drive in the snow or even heavy rain. Moving self-driving cars to Detroit won't magically fix that. I imagine we're a breakthrough or two away in computer vision processing and fuzzy logic/AI to crack that nut. While I fully appreciate the self-driving car and have watched more than a couple videos on how they work,…
I thought the advise for human beings trying to drive in the snow or heavy rain was always the same: don't.
If you do, you're taking a huge risk, so don't go anywhere unless you have to (e.g. need groceries or else will die).
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Santa Clara County which has pretty moderate weather year round. Except no one has figured out how to drive in the snow or even heavy rain. Moving self-driving cars to Detroit won't magically fix that. I imagine we're a breakthrough or two away in computer vision processing and fuzzy logic/AI to crack that nut. While I fully appreciate the self-driving car and have watched more than a couple videos on how they work,…
> Except no one has figured out how to drive in the snow or even heavy rain. I thought the advise for human beings trying to drive in the snow or heavy rain was always the same: don't. If you do, you're taking a huge risk, so don't go anywhere unless you have to (e.g. need groceries or else will die).
Some towns don't even plow non-major streets but if that's the street you live on, then you need to drive on it.