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IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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Re: IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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Where's the URL to the original IBM press release / article? I would rather read the news from the source, than from those gizmodo subhuman morons any day...

"I would rather read the news from the source, than from those gizmodo subhuman morons"

Cut them some slack. At least they're watching/trying. Their article is a news item here, after all.

Re: IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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That is fucking awesome. It's depressing to consider the fact that it would probably get downvoted on the science subreddit.

Second that. Picture of the year as far as I'm concerned. Simply unbelievable. What a time to be alive. So, now that we can 'see' the 3D arrangement in a manner of speaking is there any way we could feed known protein structure in to neural networks by imaging them in quantity and take some of the sting out of protein folding by identifying likely candidate ways to do the folding ? Or is that too big of a leap ?

What a time to be alive.

What he said. This is amazing.

Re: IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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post #7

Where's the URL to the original IBM press release / article? I would rather read the news from the source, than from those gizmodo subhuman morons any day...

"I would rather read the news from the source, than from those gizmodo subhuman morons" Cut them some slack. At least they're watching/trying. Their article is a news item here, after all.

Have you read the comments on gizmodo?

They're trying? Trying what? What they usually do is copy-paste from the source. That does not add much value. Hence, I ask again: where's the URL to the original press release? I don't want to read such great news from a website that allows comments from retards who know nothing about Physics...

Re: IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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That is fucking awesome. It's depressing to consider the fact that it would probably get downvoted on the science subreddit.

Second that. Picture of the year as far as I'm concerned. Simply unbelievable. What a time to be alive. So, now that we can 'see' the 3D arrangement in a manner of speaking is there any way we could feed known protein structure in to neural networks by imaging them in quantity and take some of the sting out of protein folding by identifying likely candidate ways to do the folding ? Or is that too big of a leap ?

XFEL is probably going to be a better way to look at biological macromolecules (though I'm not sure if the resolution would be high enough to see atom-sized details).

It's a kind of the opposite approach: instead of slowly collecting information from extremely static scene they will blast the sample with very powerful X-ray laser, taking snapshot before shattering it to pieces.

http://www.xfel.eu/en/research-examples/structure-of-biomole...

Re: IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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How is the picture 3D? Also shouldn't we see electrons in pi clouds above the aromatic rings?

Those "clouds" are probability clouds. It means that the electron should be in the vicinity of the cloud at any given time.

Also, consider that an electron is 1/1000 the size of a proton.

Re: IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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post #7

Where's the URL to the original IBM press release / article? I would rather read the news from the source, than from those gizmodo subhuman morons any day...

Some links closer to the point of origin:

Pentacene on flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos/ibm_research_zurich/3839799374/

IBM Research Zurich (pix of lab) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/ibm_research_zurich/

Article in MIT Tech Review - http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/24040/

"The imaging work is described today in the journal Science."

Fun search result on www.sciencemag.org for ibm+zurich

Science 10 July 1987 - 'IBM's Zurich Lab Is "Flower" in Europe: Two major discoveries—the scanning tunneling microscope and superconducting ceramics—highlight IBM Zurich lab's success in tapping Europe's scientific talent'

Re: IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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How is the picture 3D? Also shouldn't we see electrons in pi clouds above the aromatic rings?

I'd say it's 3D in the sense that it's a height map rather than a cross section. (We've been able to see cross-sectional images of bonds for some time using transmission electron microscopy, I think). It's not a full three-dimensional structure though, and it'd only work on flattish molecules like this.

It should be noted that this sort of resolution has been attainable for some time using scanning tunneling microscopy, but I'm pretty sure this is a first for atomic force microscopy. STM doesn't give you a very good image of bonds -- in fact bonds are generally the thing you _don't_ see, since STM works by pulling electrons in/out and bonds are stable places where electrons really don't want to come out of or go into. AFM, on the other hand, shows bonds very nicely.

You can sorta make out where the aromatic rings are. I'm not sure why it's so bright at the ends -- any organic chemists out there who can explain that?

Re: IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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Where's the URL to the original IBM press release / article? I would rather read the news from the source, than from those gizmodo subhuman morons any day...

Some links closer to the point of origin: Pentacene on flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos/ibm_research_zurich/3839799374/ IBM Research Zurich (pix of lab) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/ibm_research_zurich/ Article in MIT Tech Review - http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/24040/ "The imaging work is described today in the journal Science." Fun search result on www.sciencemag.org for ibm+zurich Science 10 J…

Thanks for the links. Much appreciated.

Re: IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I would rather read the news from the source, than from those gizmodo subhuman morons" Cut them some slack. At least they're watching/trying. Their article is a news item here, after all.

Have you read the comments on gizmodo? They're trying? Trying what? What they usually do is copy-paste from the source. That does not add much value. Hence, I ask again: where's the URL to the original press release? I don't want to read such great news from a website that allows comments from retards who know nothing about Physics...

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Re: IBM takes first 3D image of atomic bonds

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That is fucking awesome. It's depressing to consider the fact that it would probably get downvoted on the science subreddit.

Second that. Picture of the year as far as I'm concerned. Simply unbelievable. What a time to be alive. So, now that we can 'see' the 3D arrangement in a manner of speaking is there any way we could feed known protein structure in to neural networks by imaging them in quantity and take some of the sting out of protein folding by identifying likely candidate ways to do the folding ? Or is that too big of a leap ?

Regardless of what the headline says about "3D", this only works on flattish molecules. Using it to study a protein would be like a blind man determining the structure of a truckload of candy floss using a chopstick.
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